Richard of Ollerton Baguley - The Baguley tree gap

http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/nfb/aanhangsels/brummelen_van.pdf

The LDS has created this database from Ormerod's:
https://histfam.familysearch.org//showsource.php?sourceID=S1506&amp...

and this database of Welsh Medieval Nobility and Gentry:
https://histfam.familysearch.org//showtree.php?tree=Welsh

This LDS record lists all the Welsh resources that were used for Sir John, Sir William, Isabel:
https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I230580&am...

I went to William /Baggiley'sBaguley's profile:
Sir William de Baguley, Knt.

It is conflicting with the LDS records that state that his father was John NOT Ralph/Robert de Baggiley:
https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I231952&am...

But in other LDS records it is listed as th

Richard is recorded as Lord of Baggiley in 1243. Let's say he's 20 (but he may have been as young as 16, the age at which you could inherit at that time).
He witnesses a land deed with Hamo de Masci in 1277.

His son Ralph/Robert is recorded as born ca 1270 by LDS records, and is married to Roesia de Masci.

His son William is recorded as born ca 1290 by LDS records. This cross references with his being Lord of Baggiley in 1319. However, LDS records say he was married to Clemence de Cheadle, not Lucy de Corona.

His son is listed as Hamon de Baguley born about 1330 and daughter Isabel who was also known as Ellen born about 1330. No other children are listed by LDS.

These LDS records that were culled from:
1.[S1506] #560 [1882] The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (1882), Ormerod, George, (2nd edition. 3 volumes. London: G. Routledge, 1882), FHL microfilms 496,910, 547,521 and 824,313-824,31., vol. 1 pt. 2 p. 473, 711; vol. 3 pt. 2 p. 676.

2.[S610] #2142 The Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580 ... (1882), Rylands, J. Paul (John Paul), (London: [s.n.], 1882.), FHL microfilm 162,051 item 2., vol. 18 p. 150.

3.[S1506] #560 [1882] The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (1882), Ormerod, George, (2nd edition. 3 volumes. London: G. Routledge, 1882), FHL microfilms 496,910, 547,521 and 824,313-824,31., vol. 1 pt. 2 p. 473, 711, 712.

4.[S1506] #560 [1882] The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (1882), Ormerod, George, (2nd edition. 3 volumes. London: G. Routledge, 1882), FHL microfilms 496,910, 547,521 and 824,313-824,31., vol. 3 pt. 2 p. 676.
https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I231549&am...

These generations seem to work.

Also, its entirely possible that Richard had Ralph/Robert at age approx. 47 with a second wife.

Maria Zedicker's notes say that William was married to both Lucy de Corona and Clemence de Cheadle. To make things more confusing, by Lucy he had a daughter Ellen, and by Clemence he had a daughter identified as Isabel/Ellen! (LDS).

An blog article I posted last year about Sir William and his forebears and how the Normans named themselves, the transfer of Ollerton Hall and the original Saxon owners of the land:
"* He may not have started life with that name and it is very likely that he was a younger brother or possibly the child of Hamon IV de Massey, and assumed the name of Baggily along with the estates" as was the Norman custom of the time - http://hangingwithdeadguys.wordpress.com/tag/effigy/

Thank you for all the info, Pamela. Is your head spinning as much as mine is? lol

Bump for Erica Howton.