I think we may need an UNmerge on some Mallorys

The Mallorys seem to be on the fringes of the Charlton Snarlton, which leads into the Scarburgh Screwup - which is being cleared up for at least the *second* time.

Point to remember: it is *extremely rare* to find *just one* family with *just one* ancestor who is responsible for *all* subsequent descendants. (Even the Duggers, who are a fairly clear-cut case, have some outliers, not all of which are due to hanky-panky - a few are close enough matches to suggest a collateral ancestor who came in under the radar.)

The Scarburgh/Scarborough familiES certainly do not meet that description. Some Scarboroughs stayed put in Yorkshire (and some of those eventually made their way to Pennsylvania). Some moved to Leicestershire and London and elsewhere. The Scarburgh line that settled in North Walsham, Norfolk, prospered and proliferated, and apparently several collaterally related Scarburghs/Scarboroughs arrived in Accomack/Northampton, VA, Surry County, VA, and Cecil County, MD. Col. Edmund Scarburgh is *not* the Only Progenitor - and nor is his father, Capt. Edmund Scarburgh.

As for the Mal(l)orys!

Thanks to descendants of Peter Mallory of New Haven, we now know there were two completely separate lines from the get-go: an I1 line that proliferated into the Mallorys of Leicester and Tachebrook and Kirby Mallory and Walton and Welton and Papworth and Hutton Conyers/Studley and, ultimately, Virginia, and an R1b line that...?

The rise from and descent into obscurity of the Draughton, Newbold Revel, and Litchfield Mal(l)ory family group suggests that they may *never* have belonged to the main I1 line - but researching this without documented male-line descendants will be difficult to say the least.

And we still don't know where the Bermuda Mallorys fit into the picture....

Private User who do you want me to ask erica maybe?

I think I'd particularly like to tag Justin Durand - he's a fellow Malory buff.

George Mallorie (b. 1619) of Kilham, East Riding, Yorkshire is another anomaly that proves Peter Mallory isn't a lone outlier (and so can't be brushed off as "found in a cabbage patch"). Their kits match well enough to suggest a common male-line ancestor somewhere in the previous few centuries.

So does this mean there was a cuckoo in the Studley nest, or did someone come wandering into the East Riding from...oh, Warwickshire or somewhere like that? ;-) (Or perhaps even the Maelor region on the northern Welsh-English border?)

We definitely have a cock-up here: Sir John Mallory, Knight

He has a ridiculous number of wives, and some of his "children" were born a bout the same time he was.

Not to mention the time-warp on Margery Mallory : her "children" were born BEFORE she was.

Trouble here too: Margaret Mallory

She was NOT a Mallory by birth. She may have been a Burley, at least Hikaru Kitabayashi put forth some good reasons for thinking so. http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/mallory/2746/

Her first (known) husband was Robert Corbet, Lord of Moreton, MP, Sheriff of Shropshire. *She survived him and married again* - and her second husband WAS a Mallory, but not a Yorkshire Mallory. She married THIS man: Sir William Mallory, Lord of Papworth . It was the second marriage for both of them: Sir William had, perhaps, daughters by a first wife, but no sons.

Margaret gave him a son: Sir Thomas Mallory, of Papworth St. Agnes

(Margaret Erdington was Sir Robert Corbet's MOTHER, not his wife!)

I seem to recall that these people *were* correctly linked at some point, which means that somebody mis-dis-connected them for reasons unknown.

Sir William Mallory, Lord of Papworth has perhaps been over-merged: there were at least four William Mallorys in the period 1350-1450, and probably more.

One of them, who was NOT Sir William of Papworth St. Agnes, stood as MP for Leicestershire in 1419. This was William (son of William?) Mallory of Walton-on-the-Wolds (born c. 1360-1375, d. between 1428 and 1434). We know they are not the same person because the Walton Mallory was never knighted.

This is probably TWO more of them: Sir William Mallory, Kt.. One William Mallory born at Kirkby Mallory, Leicestershire, the other born at Hutton, Yorkshire.

William Mallory of Shawbury, Shropshire, may have had an independent existence; but he is a relatively sketchy figure and has usually been conflated with Sir William of Papworth, or Sir William of Hutton, or occasionally both.

This sounds like it would be an interesting next project for me. The Mallorys have enough interesting knots to keep anyone busy for a lifetime. Pam Wilson (on hiatus) is another Mallory buff.

Hikaru Kitabayashi maintains a blog here, with neatly typed entries discussing his more recent thoughts and findings: http://hikarukitabayashi.blogspot.com/

He's still trying to smooth away the Peter Mallory "anomaly" and claim the Draughton/Newbold/Litchfield group for the main line. (Their Y-DNA signature remains unknown due to absence of identifiable/willing male-line descendants and of available ancestral DNA.)

Has anybody noticed that the authorship of the Morte d'Arthur is squarely in the middle of this muddle? We're working around all three candidates, and one has already been tagged.

Here is the Studley "dark horse" candidate: (Sir) Thomas Mallory, of Hutton Conyers
He fits so poorly into the William Mallory/Dionysia Tempest family that I wonder if, perhaps, he wasn't actually William's baby *brother*, raised with William's own children. It would explain much....

And here's the Main Man himself: Sir Thomas Malory, of Newbold Revel

Incidentally, the birth and death dates for Thomas of Hutton have been swiped from Thomas of Papworth - we *don't have* good dates for Thomas of Hutton, except that he probably survived at least until 1471 (entered a legal complaint against a neighbor in that year). And as a candidate for authorship of the Morte, he should probably have been born no later than 1435 (which is still cutting it a little tight).

The point here is that the Morte shows a maturity of outlook which is rarely found in men under the age of thirty-five.

Took matters in hand with Margaret Corbet Mallory (nee Burley?) and fixed her myself. She *doesn't* belong to the Yorkshire Mallorys, and *married into* the Papworth branch.

Oh dear, here we go again! Mass-mess-merging on Sir William Mallory of Papworth St. Agnes!!!

Get this through your heads, people - the Papworth Mallorys ***ARE NOT*** the Yorkshire Mallorys!!!!!

They are TWO DIFFERENT - but related - families.

Somebody has mas-mess-merged them and caused yet another horrible mess.

Sir William Mallory of Papworth St. Agnes was the son of Anketil (Anketin, Anthony) Mallory II (or possibly III) and Alice de Driby, and a relative in some degree of Sir William Papworth, from whom he inherited the said estate. He *NEVER* lived in Yorkshire, *NEVER* married a Jane Plumpton, and probably did not have a son William (he was *very* lucky to get a son Thomas from his second wife, the widow of Robert Corbet).

He did *not* have a "daughter Margaret" who traveled back in time to be born twelve years before her alleged mother - that's a piece of nonsense deriving from the HORRIBLY corrupted and error-riddled "Visitations of Shropshire" (never, NEVER trust that particular set of Visitations, people!)

Margaret Corbet Mallory was almost certainly born a Burley (John Burley, MP had the arranging of her marriage and married her to his ward, the underage Robert Corbet - she was probably his own daughter or at least a niece). When Robert died at a relatively young age, she then married Sir William Malory of Papworth St. Agnes (second marriage for both of them - we don't know who Sir William's first wife was, but speculations involving the Papworth family might help explain why Sir William Papworth picked *him* to inherit).

The Sir WIlliam Mallory who married Dionysia (Denise) Tempest is a COLLATERAL, not a direct, relative. The Yorkshire line branched off several generations *earlier*, with a younger son of the Leicestershire family getting his hands on some properties and an heiress in Yorkshire.

This profile Margaret Palmer is parrticularly borked. I had her as Margaret (Mallory) Palmer, and somebody borked her into a duplicate of Margaret Corbet Mallory (Burley). Everything about her except her first name is now *totally wrong* - and I don't know where to begin to attempt restoration.

Just because I am *not* a Curator does not mean that I do not know what I'm talking about.

*THIS* is the ancestor of the Yorkshire Mallorys: Sir Christopher Mallory, of Hutton Conyers

Notice he's a good century earlier than Sir William Mallory of Papworth St. Agnes!

*THIS* is the Sir William Mallory who married Jane Plumpton: Sir William Mallory, Kt.

Further investigation shows we don't have a case of mass-mess-merging, but of misnaming, misdating, and mis-adding. That's a bit more of a pain to undo unless there's an easy way to revert to status quo ante.