Please do NOT merge unsourced duplicates into the MEDIEVAL tree

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Charlene Rai Bosiak

You need to locate the point where you believe that Geni is missing a connection. Ie where a profile is missing a child.

Then give us a link to that profile and say who is missing so that we can determine if there are sources for that child or not.

Hi. That only shows my inlaw relationship to him. He is also actually my Great-Grandfather as well (direct line). I'm related to these royals in more ways than one because of continual cousins marrying down the generations. Some of them I descend from 4 or more od their children.

So im not 100% connected to him. My like is cut off at: Daniel van den veene

Charlene Rai Bosiak

Geni shows the shortest path - if there are many interconnecting pathways it might be showing you a shorter blood path than the direct path

You might need to walk the path - ie start at your profile, click on your parent, then your grandpa to rent and so on up the line.

At some point you will either come to the profile or you will come to a profile that either has no parents or a different parent than you believe is correct. When you get to that - copy the website address (the url) here and tell us what you think is wrong. Then we will all be looking at the same profile.

Charlene Rai Bosiak

Can you give us a link to Daniel van den veene

Have you considered that your private tree is full of errors / mistake / mystification /pious wishes?

the most striking example that has been going on all day is precisely:
Daniel Van den Veene

who and what makes you think he is the son of that king of France!? o.O

you understand that everything is known about these calibers, stories, tales and escapades.. imagine if a legitimate child escaped..
but don't worry, we see them often here, not of this caliber.. but you're in good company :D

Daniel Van den Veene Born in 1276 cannot be the son of Louis IX the Saint, King of France as he died in 1270

Im stuck on Daniel. My Ancestory says this. Maybe I have him attached to the wrong King. Help me.

Daneel van Den Veene
1276 - 1319
Birth:
May 1276
Evreux, Eure, Normandy, FR
Death:
May 19 1319
Longport Sur Orge
Burial:
Paris, Île-de-France, FR
Family members
Parents:
King Philippe De France, III, le hardi
1245 - 1285
Maria De France (born Van Brabant)
1254 - 1320
Wife:
Margaretha Van Der Veene (born Van Artesië)
1285 - 1311
Siblings:
Louis France (Capet)
1267 - 1276
Robert Capet
1269 - 1276
Unknown Capet
1271 - 1271
Blanche De France
1278 - 1306
Philippe France (Capet)
1268 - 1314
Prince Charles De Valois (Capet)
1270 - 1325
Louis D'evreux
1276 - 1319
Marguerite De France
1282 - 1318
Daughter:
Irmgard Van Den Veene
1300 - 1355

Im stuck on this Daniel. He is connected to my tree. Maybe I am trying to merge him to the wrong King. You can see his line to me here:

Daniel Van den Veene

Charlene Rai Bosiak

My suggestion is to go to Daniel Van den Veene profile and add sources showing evidence of who is parents are.

I'm following Ancestry. Maybe we need to go back and double check the line. I cant find who his parents are. Heritage & Ancestry keep saying a French king. Help me.

Under Danial I am uaing the "research" button which takea me to ancestry & heritage stuff.

Here is his daughter, my ancestor. Maybe her Dad (Daniel) is written down wrong? Where does she belong under the tree?

Ermengarde Elisabetha Maria van Brant van Huldenberg (born van De Venne)
1300 - 1365
Birth:
Circa 1300
Brussel, Hertogdom Brabant, België (Heiliges Römisches Reich)
Occupation:
Hofdame (dame de la Queue) / concubine na het overlijden van zijn wettige vrouw
Marriage:
Marriage to: Jan "De Triomfater" VAN BRABANT III
Circa Jan 19 1311
Tervuren, Tervueren, Vlaams-Brabant, Vlaanderen, België
Death:
Dec 5 1365
Brussel, Brabant, België
Family members
Parents:
Daniel Van Vene Van De Venne
1276 - 1319
Marguerite Van Den Vene (geboren D'artois)
1285 - 1311
Husband:
Jan "de Triomfater" Van Brabant III
1300 - 1355
Daughter:
Catharina Van Der Eycken (geboren Van Der Achtere Van Brabant)
1325 - 1350

@Charlene ..
https://www.geni.com/path/Daniel-Van-den-Veene+is+related+to+Charle...
..he always go through those profiles of yours that I mentioned before to document..
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lesson #2
you can't use the automatic algorithm up in the middle ages, it's not meant for those centuries.

Heritage has wrong records. Now it says Daniel's father is Gosiun:

Gosuin van Den Veene
? - 1312
Custom event:
SIEUR
Marriage:
Getrouwd met: Gosuin VAN DEN VEENE
Death:
1312
Houtain-Le-Val, Genappe, Province Du Brabant Wallon, Wallonia, Belgium

Ill go through these links you gave this weekend when I have my computer and not a phone

if you created a whole tree following that stuff...
without any book, encyclopedia, table, diagram,
..I'd say above 1600 you just have junk to delete ^^'

Charlene Rai Bosiak Medieval research is a very specialised field.

A significant amount of internet trees are incorrect and cannot be relied on when going back this far.

Charlene Rai Bosiak you say you'll wait until the weekend to check with your PC, but in the meantime add other medieval profiles from 1200 from your cell phone:
Gosuin Van den Veene


you can't do that here,
just not after the sources and methods and instruments you just said you are using /!\

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Isabella van Venne it's a profile cited at least by Wiki NL
I added the cut and paste with text tags yesterday..

above your comments what Chatgpt says (shivers T.T)

..I still haven't figured out who knows her father name: Daniel,
we've painlessly cut out the grandfather king of France and all the huge duplicated entourage,
which now you already have ready a grandfather -_- don't pull the rope too hard

I said Ill check your links on the weekend. You said his Dad is not that King and another source said it is that new guy so I stuck him in. Also. Im not using Chatgpt.

Again. Hard ro understand your messages. Translation not the best. English translations hard to understand.

Family tree is as accurate as I can go by the online records available. Nothing i can do about that for my personal tree.

All trees are in inaccurate because of infidelity, rape etc. And hidden from everyone. Nobody knows 100% sure, even authentic documented.

For sure I have Royal roots because it was in the family history stories and I have 't kint Roodenbeke ancestors. This is my 13th Grandfather. 'T kint Roodenbeke is a bourgeois family from Brussels, Belgium. My family tree is difficult because of many 2nd, 3rd and double 2nd cousins marrying. The bourgeois all married each other. Then it goes further back and its hundreds and hundreds of Royals. I cannot keep track of it all or rmemorize them all. There are too many.

Arnoldus ‘t Kint van Roodenbeke

It says he's my 13th Grandfather, but it also gives me the in-law relationship. But many of those in-laws are also blood relatives and direct ancestors. Those families were nobles because of Royal ancestry. It makes the tree confusing to follow. That time period (1500s) my ancestors were from Flanders, Belgium area as Knights and Lords. I cannot count how many, just too many. They all married each other. Right down to my Great-Grandparents on that side who are 2nd cousins. So the Royal ancestors are numerous from many family lines and they're all related to each other in some way.

I descended from two of his children: Peeter & Marguerite and thier spouces. So he and his wife is my double Great-Grandparents x13.

Charlene Rai Bosiak — it would be great to move this discussion out of this thread, since we use it to post medieval duplicates and it’s now gone far afield.

I’m a medievalist, and can help explain how medieval sources work and the like — if you message me privately using the Geni message function I’ll be glad to explain things.

Ok thank you.

Please unmerge Percyvall Amyas It got merged despite my warnings in both involved profiles.

John Albert Rigali

Merge undone and locked relationships.

Erica for the win again! Thank you once again!

You made it easy & clear. So thank you.

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