Ann Jans, of Laackervelt - How many inaccuracies before worthless?

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So this is more proof that she came from the province off Drenthe.

But then the last part is saying , Jan and Mayken were Dutch protestants at Tiederwelt
Thierlewoodt. That is the Thielerwaardt .
That is the province Gelderland under the province Utrecht with the small town Lakerveld.
That all together makes more sense to me to understand.

Because what i can see the first van meeteren came from the village Tricht that is around the Thielerwaardt.

So in my view or mayken moved from Meppel to the Thielerwaardt, or we have here two family's.

Also Jan and Mayken were the first settlers from the Netherlands to America, from the West Indie Company.

The town where the lived is also called before that the English toke it over as Beverwijck.

A better description of Meppel would be "Capital city of the middle of nowhere" :)

Drenthe was so unimportant that when they coined the name Republic of the Seven United Netherlands they simply ignored Drenthe, it was the unmentioned 8th province. Technically it was part of neighbouring Overijssel.

I am very curious if Piet can find another locality named Mappelen, maybe a manor which doesn't show up in basic Google searches in the same way that Laackervelt does not.

Piet, what is the significance of your WIC comment? Jan and Mayken emigrate in 1662, only 2 years before the English take over. How are they specifically linked to the WIC anymore than all the other settlers

What i read in the Burchgraeff site is that they belong to the first dutch settlers, who came under the flag off the WIC.
Then what i find interesting that there is also little information about the town's name it was called originally Beverwijck. Later when the English toke over they changed the name.
The name Mappelen is only mentioned in these documents who are in connection with Jan and Mayken, further we don't have any document that Meppel was called Mappelen in 1600.
Maybe i have to search in connection to the name Appelenburg and Appeltern both in the Surroundings off the Thielerwaardt .

"Beverwijck" is not exactly obscure, it's the capital city of New York State now. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverwijck

Beverwijck (/ˈbɛvərwɪk/ bev-ər-wik; Dutch: Beverwijck), often anglicized as Beverwyck, was a fur-trading community north of Fort Orange on the Hudson River in New Netherland that was renamed and developed as Albany, New York, after the English took control of the colony in 1664.

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Although Beverwijck literally means beaver district,[3] its name might be of different origin than related to the fur trade. It could have been named for the Dutch town of Beverwijk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverwijk

Is in North Holland.

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This should not suggest that the van Meterens originated from there, apparently early Beverwijck was extraordinarily diverse, attracting colonists from

"A large percentage of the Beverwijck population consisted of Europeans born outside of the Dutch Republic. Despite the ethnically mixed population which included Dutch, Scandinavian, German, and English individuals, institutions transplanted from the Republic gave the town a decisively Dutch character.[1]"

Erica

That was not my intention to mean that the came from.
I mentioned only the name because, the dutch colony there, gave that place its name Beverwijck.
Beverwijck is a town on the coast off the Netherlands. But in this case it iis also the name off a animal, Bever is also a Beaver.

But that on the side line off the story.

So this town Mappelen, maybe Meppel is 145 to 150 km from the Thielewaardt, in those days a giant trip.
Because we had only sand roads in these days with a lott off holes in it.
Transport from Meppel was maybe by coach, but that is maybe only to bigger city's or not far away.

What was in those days the second transport possibility, travel by boat, according to archives from Meppel there was transport by boat to Amsterdam.

So the chance that Mayken from Mappelen travelled to the Thielerwaardt to get married with Jan is very small.

In my opinion it is more possible that there is a hole in the story, or we speak about two different family's.

"In my opinion it is more possible that there is a hole in the story, or we speak about two different family's."

Mayken Hendricks' origins was apparently quite confused in genealogy. When is the earliest reference to her as "van Meppelen" ?

I will look in the Kingston register & History of Kingston.

From http://njgsbc.org/files/BCFamilies/BCFam-Hendricks.pdf

Hendrick Hendricks m. Lisbet Voet
---children of Hendrick Hendricks & Lisbet Voet:
• Maycke Hendricks (Van den Oever), m. Willem Crom1

---Sources:
[1] Information online August 2000, Dutch-Colonies List, from Sharilyn Whitaker <sharilyn@northcoast.com>;

I'm seeing references to Zaltbommel for Maycke's origins

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/dutch-colonies/2000-0...

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/dutch-colonies/2005-0...

> (For extra credit: 1. Maycken Hendricks is sometimes
> connected to Femmetje, Hilletje and Roeliff Hendricks.
> I think not; the Kroms and presumably their mother
> were "van Pynaker", the others "van Meppelen"

Presumably Maycken Hendricks was from somewhere near to her 1st husband.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/dutch-colonies/2001-0...

"You may want to get a hold of the January 2000 issue of "The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record" (Volume 131, number 1) and read the informative article, "Netherlands Origins of the Crom Families of Ulster and Rockland Counties, New York" on pages 11-22, written by Jane Stewart Ten Eyck."

A marriage location for William Crom & Maycken Hendricks:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/dutch-colonies/2000-0...

If you read page 224 of the October 1997 issue of the NYG&B Record
(128:4),you will find that "Joost, the son of Adriaen Dircksen Molenaar and
Chieltgen Pieterse, was baptized on 11 March 1640 in Pijnacker -- four
miles east of Delft in the province of South Holland. "A note tells us
that Adriaen Dircksen liven in the "Koormolen" (flour mill) of Pijnacker;
so "molenaar" (miller) is an occupational name and should not yet be
captialized".

This Joost Adriaensz. came to New Netherland. His second marriage was to
Elisabeth Willems Crom, the daughter of Willem Crom and Maeyken Hendricx
van den Oever, who were married 7 April 1645 in Waardenburg. After
Willem's death, Mayke married Jan Joosten van Meteren, who brought his
wife, Crom step-children, and son (Joost Jansen van Meteren) to New
Netherland in 1662.

Dorothy

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Dorothy A. Koenig, Editor
"New Netherland Connections"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg

Waardenburg is a town in the Dutch province of Gelderland. It is a part of the municipality of Neerijnen, and lies about 13 km west of Tiel.

Waardenburg was a separate municipality until 1978, when it was merged with Neerijnen.[1]

Does this location for the birth of her child by her second husband make any sense?

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&amp;m=451&amp;p=surn...

Her second marriage to Jan Joosten produced our ancestor:

Jooste Jansen Van Meteren, b. abt. 1659, Meppellen, Province of Drenth, Holland; d. 13 Jun 1706 His father would have been about 39 years old at the time of his birth.

In the church records from Drenthe from 1600 on, nothing found for Joosten Jan and Jan Joosten, also tried on different variations.
the name van Meteren Meter Meeteren Meeter is also not in the church records. that contains Birth Baptism, Marriage, and Funerals.

Will try later this weekend to find something more, on this puzzele.

What exactly does "van den Oever" mean and how did it become part of Maycken's name?

From http://nostalgia.esmartkid.com/crom.html

(4) Willem Gijsbertsz CROM, b. about 1620-23 in Opijnen, Gelderland, The Netherlands, d. about 1656-59 in Opijnen, Gelderland; m., 7 Apr 1645 in Waardenburg, Gelderland, The Netherlands, to Maycken Hendricks VAN DEN OEVER* (b. unknown, d. unknown); they resided in Opijnen, Gelderland, The Netherlands; their children:

i. Hendrick, b. about 1647;
ii. Elisabet, b. about 1650, m. Joost Adriaenszen MOLENAER;
iii. Gysbert, b. about 1653, m. Geertje Ariense VAN VLIET;
[#5] iv. Geertje, b. about 1656, m. Jan "John" HAMMEL [Sr.].

*The widow Maycken Hendricks (VAN DEN OEVER) CROM m. 2nd, about 1659, to Jan Joosten VAN METEREN. They resided in Kingston, Ulster Co., NY, and in NJ (possibly Somerset Co.).

Sources:

1. Putman, Charles. Crom/Crum Family History. Webpage: http://genforum.genealogy.com/crum/messages/1819.html . 2005.

2. Ten Eyck, Jane S. "Netherlands Origins of the Crom Families of Ulster and Rockland Counties, New York". The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, vol. 131, no. 1, January 2000, pages 11-22.

From http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/crum/1819/

3-1 Willem Gijsbertsz Crom~1620 Opynen Gelderland Netherlands d about 1656 Netherlands

m 7 Apr 1645 Waardenburg Gelderland Netherlands Maycken Hendricks Van Der Oever 12 Dec 1624 Zaltbommel Netherlands

daughter of Hendrick Hendrikse 1598 Zaltbommel Netherlands and Lijsbeth Voet 1602 Zaltbommel Netherlands

brother to Gysbert Hendricks

What exactly does "van den Oever" mean and how did it become part of Maycken's name?

IF (and this is just a thought bubble so it is a BIG IIIIIFFFF)

IF Macyken is from Mappellen and IF Mappellen = Meppel then "Oever" could be some sort of distortion of Overijssel. Overijssel being the province which Drenthe was previously a portion of.

From what Piet is saying the more evidence that Maycken is from Drenthe that we find the more likely it is that there are two Maycken's because in mid-1600s it would be very unusual for a girl from Drenthe to marry a boy from Gelderland. Sort of like a Texan marrying someone in Pittsburgh, not impossible but strange enough to make you pause and wonder.

I thought I saw something that "van den Oever" was "from the river side." Something like "t ' veldt" "from the farm." WHICH RIVER? WHICH FARM? Oye.

There already is the Maycken she was mixed up with previously

Mayke Hendricksdr van den Burghgraeff

so we're talking a THIRD Maycken?

Nahhhh.

So where is Zaltbommel again? In relation to Waardenburg, Gelderland, where she's getting married in 1645?

BTW I merged up a lot of Van Meters down tree. They liked to change their name, too.

"Overijsell" is not so far fetched. This is where tree-sister Margriet Hendricks Dumont seems to be from (showing on other trees with different parents, naturally)

FamilySearch has Lijsbeth Voet as daughter of https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LDP5-3DL/details Hansken Van Graf and with an especially cute picture

Jan Janszoon van Haarlem, commonly known as Murat Reis the Younger was the first President and Grand Admiral of the Corsair Republic of Salé, Governor of Oualidia, and a Dutch Barbary pirate ....

https://familysearch.org/tree/person/LCJQ-NQX/details

He's pretty ubiquitous.

Although Gustav Anjou, notorious genealogical fraudster, has Grietje born of Wie, near Swol:

Margriet Hendricks Dumont

https://books.google.com/books?id=Kh3qGte3QVkC&amp;lpg=PA88&amp;ots...

Waardenburg and Zaltbommel are 2 miles apart, Meppel is 100 miles north.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/Waardenburg,+Netherlands/Zaltbom...

Frankly, I'm lost as to who is from where and based on what evidence.

Haarlem, as in Jan Janszoon van Haarlem, is about 70 miles west of Zaltbommel

I'm pretty sure we can continue to eliminate the President of the Corsair Republic from these trees, as much as they like to sneak in. I mean, really, what's the point of doing all that smuggling and terrorizing and converting to Islam & such, just to send grand daughters off to be captured by Indians in the beaver trading territories? What kind of "Grand Admiral" is that? Not one deserving of a fierce reputation!

I think I am liking the Waardenburg / Zaltbommel origin for Maycken, and Meppelen for the 3 Hendricks siblings. BUT there is no reason they weren't both from unrelated Hendricks of Meppel families?

Probably not the 4th (Annetje), she is feeling different. I am curious about the Jelles but was distracted again by more of "Deaf Hester." Her 3rd husband had a terrible temper!

Teunis Dirckse Van Vechten

Two more possible siblings for Maycken:

The Fox apparently sailed on 31 August 1662 since its passenger list bears that date:

(SHIPS PASSENGER LISTS NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY 1600-1825, Carl Boyer III, Newhall, CA, 1978, page 128, List of Passengers, 1654-1664, excerpted from YEAR BOOK OF THE HOLLAND SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, 1902.)

August 31 1662. in D'Vos (The Fox), Captain Jacob Jansz Huys.

Jan Joosten, from the Tielderweert, wife and five children, 15, 12, 9, 6, and 2 1/2 years old.
Lysbeth Hendricksen.
Albert Hendrickz, house-carpenter from Maersen.

Since they travelled together, perhaps Macyken Hendricksen, wife of Jan Joosten, was related to Lysbeth Hendricksen and Albert Hendrickz.

Perhaps useful to look at all the origin locations for arrivers in that period.

From the book cited above:

https://books.google.com/books?id=tRpEAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA21&amp;lpg=...

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