Abner Lee - Lee's

Started by vickie pierce on Thursday, August 22, 2019
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8/22/2019 at 9:38 PM

Hello abner lee is 4th gr grandpa
Young m lee 3rd/ youngs son phineas lee 2nd
Phineas lee son was
jesse l. Lee he married bessie r chaplin
And then my grandma Elizabeth lucy lee
Who married a ridenoure

8/23/2019 at 6:32 AM

Vickie, I am descended from Abner Lee but don't know which son. DNA matches other descendants 100 percent so that verifies the link.

The only reference I've seen for Young Lee, Abner's son is that he died at 10 years old. I did see one person who claimed they were his descendant but didn't have any information to back it up.

What do you have that shows that you are descended from Young Lee?
I'm not disputing you, but would be VERY interested in seeing anything regarding that.

My great grandfather was James Young Lee born in Newton County Missouri in 1836. His mother was named Mary (Polly) and was widowed by 1850, I think. I have no idea what her maiden name was. I've been searching for this link for 40 years so I'm quite interested in what you have for Young Lee.

Thanks for posing your lineage. Do you have a tree, or DNA results to see if we match?

Thanks,
Jim Lee

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8/23/2019 at 8:19 AM

It just so happens that there have been numerous Y-DNA studies on various Lee families (mostly to see if they match up with "The Lees of Old Virgnia" - and mostly they don't).

The Abner Lee family (sometimes also called the Jehu Lee family, perhaps because Jehu was the first one traced back to) form a fairly well defined group with *just* enough similarity to the Famous Lees to suggest that there may have been a common ancestor somewhere way back in the Middle Ages. Something on the order, but not necessarily the close order, of circa Bad King John.

You can do a Web search on "Lee Y-DNA" to find out more.

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8/23/2019 at 8:36 AM

Incidentally, references to any Richard "Henry" Lees prior to the Founding Father from the Famous Lee line are probably apocryphal. People weren't into middle names much before the middle 18th century (hardly at all in the 17th century, as it was considered a "Papist" thing). But once Richard Henry Lee made the middle name famous, people started assuming that any Richard Lee "must" have had the middle name Henry whether there was any reason to think so or not.

8/24/2019 at 4:21 AM

I have been part of the DNA study since 2007 and match Abner and the Jehu descendants, along with others of that family.
My interest in this was is young M Lee a DNA match, and is this Young Lee Abner's son.

None of his children have names that are the same as Abner's family's names which is unusual. Nearly all of Abner's children carried on the family names fir many generations.

Just trying to find my 3x ggrandfather whi was Abner's son.

8/24/2019 at 8:40 AM

James u wanted to no what proof about young lee i have a 1850 census copy puts him born 1828
Living in pope arkansas
Here below i copy an past it

Young M Lee
United States Census, 1850
Name:
Young M Lee
Event Type:
Census
Event Year:
1850
Event Place:
Pope county, Pope, Arkansas, United States
Gender:
Male
Age:
32
Race:
White
Birth Year (Estimated):
1818
Birthplace:
Tennessee
House Number:
175
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Young M Lee Male 32 Tennessee
Jane Lee Female 30 Tennessee
Phineas L Lee Male 5 Tennessee
Amanda J Lee Female 4 Tennessee
Mary J Lee

8/24/2019 at 8:15 PM

I see your Young M Lee in Arkansas as you show above but I don't believe he is the son of Abner Lee b 1760.
A letter by G.W. Lee, Abner's son states that Young married a woman named Matthewes and stayed in Virginia. As far as anything I've seen that's the case although there isn't much about him.
He is on the 1830 census in Tennessee with Abner and several of Abner's other children and is shown to be 20-30 years old. That makes him born in 1810 at the latest.

The other interesting thing is that Young M Lee did not name any of his children with any of the familiar names in Abner Lee's line. Most of his descendants had many of the same names.

I don't know if you've had any male descendants of Young take any DNA tests, but it would be interesting to see how they compare.

8/25/2019 at 4:40 AM

Vickie, I got to thinking about the GW Lee letter and realized that GW was talking about his uncle Young, not Abner's son Young. So my mention of that letter doesn't support my position.. I'm still bothered by the Young M's children's names. They seemed to pass names down very intently, as most families did in those days.

8/25/2019 at 5:07 AM

OK, I've been following up on this as I recall having a match with EBattenfield on Ancestry who said he was a descendant of Young M Lee. I just looked it up again and it is a fairly significant match to me.

There is no doubt that we are related. If Young M Lee is Abner's son that's good news for me. It rules him out as a possible gggrandfather to me which supports my theory that mine is William Lee.

Sorry for the confusion, I had just not seen a single shred of information on Young Lee.
There are some other cousins from Arkansas I know who are searching for their tie back to Abner as well. Maybe there is something they aren't aware of in this.

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8/26/2019 at 6:55 PM

The question is, as always, *how closely* related. With a different surname there's probably no clues to be had via Y-DNA, but autosomal might provide some pointers (the closer the match, the more recent the common ancestor).

Autosomal can be tricky, though, because of the high variability in just which genes are passed down to whom. If you're lucky, you got a nice big lump and you can make some educated guesses - if not, back to the paper trail.

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