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Started by Nikolaus Jan Triplett Groenewold on Friday, October 23, 2020
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10/23/2020 at 10:18 AM

Is this person here Anna Mamikonid? Since this sets up a "Descent From Antiquity", I would like to see more clarity on her.

11/15/2020 at 7:13 PM

Looks like she’s supposed to be “Anna”, of Byzantium wife of Hmayeak Mamikonian, noble of Adrianople

See next post,

11/15/2020 at 7:19 PM

Edit - only relevant to this profile from

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BYZANTIUM.htm#LeonVdied820B

LEON "the Armenian", son of BARDAS & his wife --- (-murdered Constantinople 24 Dec 820). Genesius records Leon’s immediate ancestry, naming "Leo…imperator, Bardæ quidam patricii filius, sed genus ducens ex Armenia"[832]. Genesius records that Leon grew up at Pidra in the theme of Anatolikon[833]. ...

m (before Jul 813) THEODOSIA, daughter of ARSABER patrikios & his wife --- (-after [824]). Theophanes Continuatus names "Theodosia…Arsaberis filia" as the wife of Emperor Leon V[845]. Genesius names "Augusta Theodosia…Arsaberis filia, patricii…et quæstoris"[846]. ...

Emperor Leon V & his wife had four children, Symatios, Basileios, Gregorios, Theodosios.

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In other words, no primary source exists (as captured by Cawley in his medlands database) for a daughter of Emperor Leo V.

However ... (see next post).

11/15/2020 at 7:21 PM

Livio Scremin See French Wikipedia for Sepitanni’s arguments for “anna” as daughter of Emperor Leo. However we have seen hm misquoted before so should be sure and get the best we can.

11/15/2020 at 7:24 PM

Correction: Settipani.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_V_the_Armenian

All known children of Leo V are traditionally attributed to his wife Theodosia, a daughter of the patrician Arsaber.[15] Genesius records four sons:[16]

Anna, who married Hmayeak, a Mamikonian prince (died c. 797), by whom she had Konstantinos, an officer at the court of Emperor Michael III.[17][18]

17. Kaloustian, S. Saints and Sacraments of the Armenian Church. (1959), p. 17, Fresno, California: A-1 Printers.
18. ^Koushagian, Torkom. Saints & Feasts of the Armenian Church. Translated by Haigazoun Melkonian. (2005), p. 5, New York: Diocese of the Armenian Church of America (Eastern

11/15/2020 at 7:42 PM

yes I had compiled the info-about of wiki ENG half an hour before :)
nice working on https://www.geni.com/discussions/220644?msg=1429583

11/16/2020 at 5:36 AM

Not sure about Anna. Settipani in 1998:

I no longer believe at all today in the Mamikonian or
Bagratid ascendance of Basil based on the presence of the names Hmayek or
Bagrat in his family, as was said by Adontz or the late prince Toumanoff.
This argument alone is too weak. There is on the other hand a real
possibility of a link with Leo V, and whatever Signes Codoner may say, the
latter is certainly linked to the Artsruni. All the same, I admit that the
link between Basil and Leo V is hypothetical and there is a weakness there
that one should not hide. I therefore remind M Baldwin that we could avoid
this reef and recover a DFA which does not present this inconvenience, but
which nevertheless concerns quite a large portion of western nobility, as
noted by Wagner, through the Armenian ancestry of the house of Savoy, let
alone some other paths [see Settipani, 1992, 37-8 and 41-3]

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/NMDc32AU1wE/m/...

[Long]: Settipani on Baldwin on the Commagenian DFA link
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The duplicate tree needs to be isolated, it’s still connected l

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