Baudouin le Bourg, comte de Rethel - old abandoned wrong knot

Started by Livio Scremin on Saturday, July 23, 2022
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cleaning attempt #3

2007 Baudouin le Bourg, comte de Rethel is:
*not known son of Manassès II, count of Rethel (& Yvette de la Bourg who is not his wife)
*not known husband of Ida I de Boulogne
*very probably the wrong DUP of his grandson Baldwin II, king of Jerusalem
**also known as '''Baldwin of Bourcq or Bourg''' -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_II_of_Jerusalem
*** (others old typo around here:) [example: Joscelin of Courtenay ., DUP typo in wrong place
**** [suggested separation and let he wander:] <----

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His MOM (mono & reassigned ADMN) [2010] Yvette de la Bourg is:
* Not known wife of Manassès II, count of Rethel
* Not known mother of un-sourced & very probably wrong Baudouin le Bourg, comte de Rethel

*Very very provably the wrong DUP typo of Judith Yvette de Roucy (wife of the son Manasses III)

**(other old typo around here:) [merge and cut suggested] <---

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Mono ADMN 2013 Joscelin of Courtenay ., DUP typo in wrong place
is a typo of Joscelin I, seigneur de Courtenay

(others old typo around here:) [simple self erase suggested:] <---

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everything under control, perimeter documented with Wikis & MedLands inside the info-about of the profiles, and left some visual not random signals..
[[[ PLZ just perform these 3 cleaning operations before talking about if & how to handle Manassès III, count of Rethel 's alleged marriage differently ;]]]
..I drew a little sketch. (because it's not always easy to understand me:)
*https://media.geni.com/p14/8e/1e/14/bd/534448614271b42d/vecchi_erro...

So, using https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#ManassesIIRetheldie...

Manassès III, count of Rethel

MANASSES [III] (-1081 or>)
unlikely the s/o Manasses [II] due to dates
x <1045/55 JUDITH d/o NN (c1020/30-)

  • ? RENAUD (->1065/6)
  • HUGUES de Rethel (c1045/55-28 Dec c1118)

Judith de Rethel

JUDITH (c1020/30-)

d/o NN (3 theories see below)
x <1045/55 MANASSES [III] (-1081 or>) unlikely the s/o Manasses [II] due to dates

  • ? RENAUD (->1065/6)
  • HUGUES de Rethel (c1045/55-28 Dec c1118)

Manassès II, count of Rethel

MANASSES [II] ([942/60]-[29 Mar] >1026)
s/o MANASSES [I] (->989) & poss ORDELA de Castres

  • x DADA

NO KNOWN CHILDREN

Manassès I, comte de Rethel

MANASSES [I] (->989)
s/o BERNARD [Balthasar] (->945) & NN
x c941 poss ORDELA de Castres

  • MANASSES [II] ([942/60]-[29 Mar] >1026)

Baldwin II, king of Jerusalem

BAUDOUIN II King of Jerusalem
s/o HUGUES [I] Comte de Rethel & Mélisende de Montlhéry
x 1101 MORFIA of Melitene, d/o GABRIEL

  • MELISENDE (-11 Sep 1161)
  • ALIX ([1110]- >1136)
  • HODIERNE ([1118 or after]->1152)
  • JUDITH [Yvette] (1119-> 31 Dec 1178)

Baudouin le Bourg, comte de Rethel --> profile to be isolated yes, but not to be deleted: it can be useful to know it as an error, thanks to its internal notes.

LOL broken the line:
*Manassès II, count of Rethel
cutted of from
**Manassès III, count of Rethel

LOL without even writing a TEXT-TAG notes on the info about.

MANASSES [III] (-1081 or>)
unlikely the s/o Manasses [II] due to dates
x <1045/55 JUDITH d/o NN (c1020/30-)

  • ? RENAUD (->1065/6)
  • HUGUES de Rethel (c1045/55-28 Dec c1118)

LOL?

when you break a line that has been common for years, only because MedLands suggests that there should be another unknown generation in between..
(ML does not say that those two are not related)
..you should at least have the care to leave a TEXT-TAG that reports to each other at least as a note (I just did it on III, needed on II:)

and in any case the line could still be restored with an "X profile" that maintains the relationship

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& don't delete Doda de Rethel

it was not easy to understand where it came from and write in the notes inside!

And thank you to you too.

..for what?
all the disambiguation notes resulting from studies and documentation in the info about, are about to be lost in the cancellation list:

cut out yes, but don't delete:
-Baudouin le Bourg, comte de Rethel
-Doda de Rethel

Joscelin I, seigneur de Courtenay is my 28th great grandfather.
Manassès III, count of Rethel is my 27th great grandfather.
Baldwin II, king of Jerusalem is my 25th great grandfather.

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