James Lewis - Parentage of James Lewis

8/8/2022 at 6:02 PM

Until recently - James Lewis had been the son of Gideon S. Lewis, Sr and Nancy Lewis

His About Me notes say - even now - that he was grandson of Col. Robert Lewis, Jr., of Granville County

The local history of Platte County, Missouri by Paxton indicates that there was a connection between the family of James Lewis and Capt. Meriwether Lewis of Lewis and Clark fame...

However - to my knowledge - no one has actually managed to find a primary source or a DNA match between descendants that proves that connection... I will grant that just because I haven't found it - doesn't mean its not out there.... It just means I'd like to know so that we can add the sources to the profile and make it plain...

The local history by Paxton indicates both Lewis familes were fairly recent immigrants from Wales and arrived around the same time period - but that implies that the family connection might have been prior generations back in Wales, not nesscessarily after their arrival in Platte County...

Just for the sake of documention - do any of the managers on these profiles have some sources they could provide - or could we get a call on the play by a curator... I don't mean to sound disagreeable - I'm honestly curious to know what has been uncovered...

Kenneth Keith Christison, Jr.

8/9/2022 at 5:22 AM

If I change the parents of James Lewis in my tree on Ancestry, will my DNA list be repopulated to show line through Gideon?

Donald Franklin Colvin

8/10/2022 at 6:14 AM

Kenneth Keith Christison, Jr.

Ancestry and Geni don't directly communicate in any way. A tree over on Ancestry is a "standalone" tree - it doesn't know or have access to anything happening over here on geni...

Here on Geni - when the connections change - the DNA results do propagate up the tree... So - when the parentage changes - it's possible that descendant DNA does propagate up and then down accordingly....

Jan Van Kort (Little)

8/14/2022 at 1:28 AM

Donald, Ken announced he deleted his account. James is still "locked". And I have the definitive answer from the DNA surname project Lewis-2. :
Jan, on the spreadsheet with the DNA Results, it appears that "Haplogroup R1b - Group 08" contains the DNA testers who claim to be Warner Hall descendants.

Those DNA testers claiming to be descendants of Gideon Lewis are in "Haplogroup R1b - Group 09."

Now, just because they appear only 1 group number apart on the spreadsheet, it doesn't mean they are closely related. Thus far, only 1 person in Group 08 has taken the Big Y test. Their haplogroup is: R-BY173578.

In Group 09, the haplogroup common to all those testers in America is R-BY137177.

Did R-BY173578 and R-BY137177 ever share a common ancestor? Yes! Potentially... with their prior common haplogroup: R-FGC5494.

This forum doesn't "play nice" with trying to insert images into responses like this, but I suggest you use the "Discover More" tool, found on your homepage, and search the haplogroups listed above. With each haplogroup, select the "Scientific Details" option on the left. If you do, you will see the following:

R-BY137177 likely dates to an ancestor born around 1703 AD.

R-BY173578 likely dates to an ancestor born around 999 BC. Note: If another Warner Hall patrilineal descendant would take a Big Y test, the haplogroup would move forward in time... likely to Colonial times, like R-BY137177 is.

R-FGC5494 likely dates to an ancestor born around 1700 BC, which is a thousand years before there ever was a Warner Hall... and well before the "Lewis" surname.

So, no... the testers in Groups 08 and 09 are not related through Y-DNA within the time frame associated with the building of the Warner Hall. At best, they may have been "cousins" in the Bronze Age. ;-)

As you can see the two Lewis families are a few thousand years separated.

Donald Franklin Colvin

8/15/2022 at 4:06 AM

Jan Van Kort (Little) - I don't think I've got the power to correct the relationships because of the locked profiles that surround James Lewis... Thank you for doing the legwork on tracking down the most recent DNA results on the decendants...

I'm throwing on some curators to this thread so that hopefully they can help out resolving this...

I still wish we had some primary sources to show the papertrail, but I haven't had any luck finding any - and it definitely seems like the DNA shows something very different then what we have now...

Faustine Darsey and Private User are the curators who are on most of the MP'ed profiles that are involved... I'm tagging them here in hopes that they can take some action on getting James Lewis where he belongs...

Jan Van Kort (Little)

8/15/2022 at 6:58 AM

Thanks for assisting in this matter

Faustine Darsey C

8/15/2022 at 12:22 PM

I am looking at this. Thanks.

Faustine

Erica Howton C

8/17/2022 at 3:37 PM

I suspect we have two (or more) Gideon Lewis’ that need to be separated, and help much appreciated. I think that the Gideon Lewis (b 1723, son of William Lewis, Jr. & Lowry Evans) is not the same person as Gideon Lewis (b abt 1730, son of Nathaniel Lewis & Elvira Helton).

I don’t know which one married Nancy Lewis & which one is the father of James Lewis (b 1767)

Gideon S. Lewis, Sr currently shows too many children.

I will separate Gideon children based on an old unsourced Rootsweb file:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=morgan%2Dharris&i...

And parentage based on Quaker records:

Gideon Lewis in the U.S., Hinshaw Index to Selected Quaker Records, 1680-1940 https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29972008?h=51b116

Help much appreciated.

Erica Howton C

8/17/2022 at 5:38 PM

Gideon Lewis (died young) (born 1723 in Chester County PA) died as a child.

From https://davereedy.tripod.com/ancestry.htm

The Question of Ancestry

Where Did Gideon Lewis Come From?

In 1978, when I started actively researching the Lewis Family I was pleased to find that other family historians had already tentatively linked to Gideon Lewis family to William Lewis of Chester County, PA, and from there on back to the royal Welsh linage, and on back to antiquity. Just about every Lewis researcher I found had pretty much bought into this theory. Primarily, it was based on a will left by William Lewis where he mentions a young son Gideon as one of his children form his second marriage. In 1983, Jeffrey Weaver of Arlington, VA, while going through Quaker records at Chester County Historical Society in West Chester, uncovered the death notice of this 8 year old Gideon who died just 8 days after his father, William Lewis, and was buried with him. This was a crushing blow to many of the older researchers who had spent so much time with researching this William Lewis connection. But the fact still remained that this, obviously, was not our Gideon Lewis. So we found ourselves back to square one, where did our Gideon Lewis originate?

At least three theories have surfaced since that time. All are interesting, but none of them conclusive. The three theories are:

1. Abraham Lewis of New Kent County, VA

2. Nathaniel Lewis of Wales

3. Gideon Lewis of Charles Town, SC

We will look at each of these theories briefly. Maybe one of them will suit your fancy. There are probably many more theories if we were to examine the records more closely. The fact is we just don't know yet. That is one of the missions of this web site. All of us working together, sharing ideas and data, may just come up with a workable solution.

Jan Van Kort (Little)

8/20/2022 at 4:20 AM

It seems with DNA tools of today that we might already have the answers. If William is the answer, we probably have some of his royalty graves dug into and sampled. But since we know his Gideon died about age 8, he's not our ancestor.
Family search has added a Gideon Lewis and another Nancy Osborne (different family) as parents to Nathaniel and an Abraham Lewis and Elizabeth Hurldidge as parents to the second Gideon. These are recent additions. So far, I've found no reason to complain about these persons for ancestors someone has added to my tree.
The will from the Nathaniel born in 26 JUL 1723 does not include a Gideon and leaves a cow and bed to a wife named Elisabeth. So that gives me reason to discount him as an ancestor, not entirely, just makes him a questionable choice.

In several weeks I expect to hear results from the genealogical society from what they've found. Last few times I've paid for research it was a waste. Maybe now that we have names to look for they can find documents?

Kenneth Keith Christison, Jr.

12/10/2022 at 7:35 AM

Just fyi, I have done the bug Y, so perhaps that will help sujpport some of the data. No results yet./

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