John Payne

John Payne

Birth:
circa 1616 England (United Kingdom)

Death:
January 1690 (69-78) Old Rappahannock (Westmoreland), Virginia, United States

Place of Burial:
Payne Burying-Ground Red House-Cedar Hill, Horners, Westmoreland, Virginia

Parents:

• Unknown

Wife:

• Margaret Hannah (Robinson) Payne

Children:

• Richard Payne, Sr.
• Robert Payne
• Margaret (Payne) Edrington
• Elizabeth Payne
• John Payne, Jr.
• William Payne, Sr.
• George Payne
• A. Payne

Brothers:

• Sir William Payne
• Sir Robert Payne

Burial record:

• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/64830290/john-payne

Payne DNA:

• https://www.familytreedna.com/public/payne?iframe=yresults

John Payne

"The Payne Family". Payne and Viley, privately published. Three brothers, Sir Robert, John, and William Payne came to Virginia in 1620: Sir Robert returned to England; (John settled in the Northern Neck. (The booklet here quotes Capt. John Smith's History of Virginia). It is also stated in this booklet that John and William were knighted before leaving England. The Payne's were a powerful tribe in Wales. King James I, to conciliate them, gave them a grant of twelve miles square (144 square miles , 92160a., one-third the area of Fairfax county) near Alexandria, called Payne Manor, where Sir John settled. Sir William settled in Maryland, near Leonardtown, and never married.

l. JOHN, b. @ 1615 in England; m. Margaret; d. < 1690 in Ra . Co.; buried at "Red House" (Cedar Hill, now in We. Co.; his grave is not marked, but a bronze tablet indicates the approximate location thereof. The earliest extant, well identified record of him is dated 1653 in Le. Co., when he bought from Francis Hobbes 940 a. on Pepetic Creek, on N.S.R.R. in that region of Lc. Co. then known as Rappahannock, and which in 1656 was organized as Rappahannock County. He did not occupy this land until some years later. Pepetick Cr., (called Pedee and Perpertocks on current U.S. Geological Survey maps) is to-day in Westmoreland, and flows into the Rappahannock River about two and a half miles below Leedstown.

Court records indicate that in 1653 Mr. John Payne lived on Payne's Creek in Lc. Co. on W.S. of Corrotoman River near what is now called Ottoman, which till recently was known as Payne's Shop. Francis Hobbes was of Isle of Wight Co., for which he was Burgess in 1654. The large group of Isle of Wight personal names of this period--such as Upton, Underwood, Lawson, Thatcher, Williamson, Jennings, Travers, Vivian, Thompson, etc,-which are found later along the Rappahannock Ricer, points to an extensive migration in this direction, and leads to the suggestion of the origin of our family at some neighboring point along the James River.

It has been impossible to determine the maiden name of John Payne's wife Margaret, and there is nothing of unquestionable value on which to hazard a guess. See notes on Jennings. She first appears in the records in 1652, when land was granted for his importation; and last in 1674, when she unites with her husband in a deed. In 1655, her husband was granted land for her importation . She was possibly his second wife.

John Payne was a ship owner, as evidenced by the fact that 1653, the Lc. Co. Court paid him for provisioning and transporting Burgesses from Lancaster to James Town. In 16534 Mr John Payne was ordered by the Court to appraise the contents of Mr. Raleigh Traver's tobacco warehouse. In the same year the records show that he made a trip to England; upon his return in 1655 he moved to and occupied his plantation on Pepetick Creek, then in Lc Co near what is now Leedstown.

THE PAYNES of VIRGINIA by: Colonel Brook Payne

John Payne was born 1615 in England and he married Margaret?. He died in 1690 in Rappahannock Co., Virginia and was buried at "Red House" (Cedar Hill), now in Westmoreland County, Virginia. His grave is not marked, but a bronze tablet indicates the approximate location thereof. It has been impossible to determine the maiden name of John Paye's wife margaret, and there is nothing of unquestionable value on which to hazard a guess. She first appears in the records in 1652, when land was granted for her importation: and last in 1674, when she unites with her husband in a deed. In 1655 her husband was granted land for her importation. She was possibly his second wife.

John Payne was a ship owner, as evidenced by the fact that in 1653 the Lancaster County Court paid him for provisioning and transporting Burgesses from Lancaster to James Town. At this date Mr. John Payne was charged with five tithables. In 1654 Mr. John Payne was ordered by the Court to appraise the contents of Mr. Raleigh Traver's tobacco warehouse. In the same year the records show that he made a trip to England: upon his return in 1655 he moved to and occupied his plantation on Pepetick Creek, then in Lancaster County near what is now Leedstown. This town was not founded, however, until 1742.

The old family grave yard, where John Payne was undoubtedly buried, is still in use, being, until recently, surrounded by the remains of a rapidly disappearing mound, and overgrown with a dense tangle of brush, weeds, honeysuckle, and periwinkle. A description of its restoration is given in the chapter on Homes. Bishop Payne in his letter to Bishop Meade, appearing in the latter's "Old Churches and Families of Virginia", calls this old home "Red House", and says "it was immediately in rear of Bunker Hill and three miles from Leedstown.

The original house has long since disappeared. The present owner of the estate is Mr. Harry W. Coates. It has been known for many years as "Cedar Hill". He bought 940 acres in 1653 in Lancaster County on Pepetick Creek, on N.S.R.R. in that region of Lancaster County then known as Rappahannock, and which in 1656 was organized as Rappahannock County. He did not occupy this land until some years later. Pepetick Creek (called Pedee and Perpertocks on current U.S. Geological Survey maps) is today in Westmoreland and flows int the Rappahannock River about two and a half miles below Leedstown.

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Possible fathers of John Payne:

• Robert Payne of St Neots, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England

Shown her on Geni Sir Robert Payne, High Sheriff of Cambridge and Huntingdonshire

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sources:

• http://www.kykinfolk.com/gallatin/Familyreports/Paynes-Caves-Johnso...
• http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAYNE/2007-11/1196118399
• http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg/sur/1p/payne-108916.htm
• http://personal.linkline.com/xymox/roh/payne.htm
• http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/AF/individual_record.asp?rec...
• http://hiddenancestors.com/clarkky/family/fr061-payne.ht
• https://books.google.com/books?id=PnHX29oDlA0C&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=...
• http://mv.ancestry.com/viewer/710680d0-bc65-4716-b646-37c5d0ddf414/...
• http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=7868

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GEDCOM Note

Payne Reference A-I-1. The immigrant.

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From Terri's Genealogy Home Page ( http://www.ipa.net/~ksmith/#Payne )
"Payne John Payne married Margaret Robinson about 1634. John and Margaret appear to have emigrated from England to the United States before 1652, as they are mentioned in the records of Lancaster County, Virginia, in that year. They left descendants in Rappahannock, Richmond, and Westmoreland County in Virginia. I descend from their daughter Margrett, who married John Jennings." [My note: It is not proven that John Payne's spouses surname was ROBINSON.]

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Find-A-Grave:
(Contributer is listed as "Anonymous" and site notes email address for them not working): Birth: Nov. 3, 1615, Frittenden, Kent, England Death: Jan., 1690, Rappahannock County, Virginia, USA Family links: Spouse: Margaret Robinson Payne (1615 - 1684)*

• Calculated relationship Burial: Payne Family Cemetery, Flint Hill, Rappahannock County, Virginia, USA Created by: Anonymous Record added: Jul 05, 2005 Find A Grave Memorial# 11294376

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A second Find-A-Grave entry:
Birth: 1615, England Death: 1690, Westmoreland County, Virginia, USA Family links: Children: John Payne (____ - 1669)* Richard Payne (____ - 1696)* William Payne (1652 - 1698)* George Payne (1653 - 1711)*

• Calculated relationship Burial: Payne Burying-Ground Red House-Cedar Hill, Horners, Westmoreland County, Virginia, USA Created by: The Collector Record added: Jan 28, 2011 Find A Grave Memorial# 64830290

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https://www.jstor.org/stable/23366155?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

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(423) John12 PAYNE, (William11 PAYNE, William10, Sandford9, George8, William7, Thomas6, Levi5, Walter4, Blanche3, ?2 LIVING, Cova1 HURST) was born about 1617 in England, and in Of Rappahannock, Virginia, married (424) MARGARET who was born about 1619 in Of Rappahannock, Virginia. John died in 1690 in Rappahannock, Virginia.
Notes for John PAYNE:
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:09:44 -0600 X-Sender: sdcaller@icon.net To: JPayne5744@AOL.COM From: sdcaller@icon.net (Charles D. Payne) Subject: Paynes (WEBMASTER of PAYNES OF VIRGINIA) Joe, Got your message! Your GEDCOM file came across as part of the text, and therefore I received it in 5 pieces. This has happened to me several times before, though, and I have been able to successfully cut and paste the parts into one document and import same. I have done the cutting & pasting, but not the importing at the time of this writing. Will look forward to perusing your file and getting back to you. I have a couple of Meade Co., KY Paynes that do not tie in to Col. Payne's book, including my 2nd g grandfather Benjamin Wooly Payne, b 6 Aug 1828 near Hill Grove, Meade Co., KY and his father, Richard Payne, who would have been born somewhere around 1800. A possibility for Richard Payne's father would be one James Payne, who was listed in the 1830 Meade Co., KY census and was somewhere around age 70 at the time. Could any of these folks come from your group? For the present I hope to concentrate on descendants of John Payne b 1615 in England, the progenitor of Col. Payne's book, since this part of the project is still not complete, as you may have read at the site. When I complete this phase, I may look at expanding. If your database ties in to mine in any way, at least part of it could be used immediately, however. There were intermarriages with other groups of Paynes (including my 2nd ggrandfather, mentioned above). I still want to see your GEDCOM file! Would be glad to exchange with you. My entire file numbers about 7,500 right now, but the Payne descendants are only about half that number. Once again, I'll look forward to getting back to you after having had a chance to look at what you sent! Thanks! Charles D. "Danny" Payne The Paynes of Virginia Descendants of John Payne, born ca 1615 in England The foundation of this genealogical database consists of birth, marriage, and death data entered from The Paynes of Virginia by Col. Brooke Payne, (Second Printing) C J. CarrierCompany, 1990. This data, at present, incomplete, although I intend to continue entering data and updating this page as time permits. Of the four sections of the book, Sections A and B have been completed, and Section C, which I am working on, is complete through Generation VI. Section D of the book, the final section, remains to be tackled. The Progenitor In addition to the information from Col. Payne's book, I have included the information from my own family records herein. Although my friends call me "Danny", my name is Charles Daniel Payne, and I am descended from Dr. Benjamin Wooly Payne of Meade Co., KY and his spouse Sarah Jane Payne (unrelated) of Marion Co., KY, my second great Grandparents Sarah is the direct descendant of John Payne. She and Benjamin were married in Memphis, MO in 1852 on their way to theCalifornia Gold Rush. After having three children in California, they returned to Meade Co., KY somewhere between 1858 and 1860, settling down with their children as farmers. Benjamin was a medical doctor, but family records contain little information about his medical practice. Benjamin, Sarah and all seven of their living children were enumerated on the family farm in Meade Co., KY in the 1880 Census. Payneville, Kentucky There is a town in Meade Co., KY called Payneville. According to information obtained from a book on Kentucky place names by an online friend, Bill Davis, the town was originally named Caseyville, but when the Post Office was established in 1868, a new name needed and the town was renamed Payneville to "honor a local family." I have been unable to find further information as to the identity of this local family. If you have knowledge of this, please contact me. The Paynes of Virginia, which was originally written in 1937, is still available, and can be ordered by contacting Tuttle Antiquarian Books, 26 South Main Street, Rutland, VT 05701Ä0541 Tel. (802) 773Ä8229, Fax (802) 773Ä1493. This Second Edition has a new personal name index. I have no connection with these folks and have no business arrangement with them. They are simply a source for the book. Daniel Payne (1728Ä1796), Gentleman, Banker, Merchant Sheriff in Dumfries, Prince William Co., VA. Daniel Payne was the 2nd great grandson of John Payne, the progenitor. His brother, George Payne, was my 6th great grandfather and had many Payne descendants as outlined in Section A of The Paynes of Virgiinia. Charles L. Hamrick, whotranscribed an account book maintained by Daniel Payne for the customers of his store at Dumfries in the midÄ1700's. Follow the "Colonial Supermarket" link to Daniel Payne. Thanks to Col. Brooke Payne (1872Ä1938), author of the book "The Paynes of Virginia" (Second Printing), C. J.Carrier Company, Harrisonburg, VA 1990 for almost all the information found on this page. A more extensive treatment of John Payne can be found in the book. John Payne (ca 1615 in England <1690 died in old Rappahannock Co., VA, USA) A Chronology of Events Circa 1615: John Payne was born in England. 1652: Mr. John Payne brought suit in Lancaster County against Christopher Ripham, whose wife used abusive language with respect to Mrs. Payne. Witnesses were Mrs. Martha Brice, wife of Mr.Thomas Brice, and Mary Arundell. Christopher Ripham was fined and his wife was ordered to make public apology to the Court. 1653: John Payne resided on Payne's Creek in Lancaster Co., VA on the West side of the Corrotoman River. John Payne bought from Francis Hobbes 940 a. on Pepetick Creek, on the North side of the Rappahannock River, in that region of Lancaster County, VA then known as Rappahannock. He did not occupy this land until some years later. Lancaster County, VA Court paid John Payne for provisioning and transporting Burgesses from Lancaster to James Town. Mr. John Payne charged with five tithables in Lancaster County, VA. From 1653-1666: Nine land patents aggregating over 5,116 a. issued to John Payne. 1,356 a. of this were for importing 28 persons into the colony. Of the total, 3,443 a. bordered on Pepetick Creek and its branches. 1654: Mr. John Payne ordered by the Court to appraise the contents of Mr. Raleigh Travers' tobacco warehouse. John Payne made a trip to England. 1655: John Payne returned from England. John Payne moved to and occupied his plantation on Pepetick Creek, then in Lancaster County, VA. John Payne was granted land for the importation of his wife Margaret. She may have been his 2nd wife. Mr. John Payne appointed collector of tithes for Lancaster County, VA. Mr. John Payne charged with seven tithables in Lancaster County, VA. 1656: Mr. John Payne appointed collector of tithes for Lancaster County, VA. Mr. John Payne charged with seven tithables in Lancaster County, VA. Lancaster County, VA Court ordered Mr. John Payne to make one pair of stocks and a whippingÄpost for the county, for which he was to receive 400# for the woodenÄwork thereof, the ironÄwork being otherwise provided. These implements were possibly for the new county of Rappannock, which was organized in this year. 1658: Mr. John Payne and Mr. John Catlett witnessed the noncupative will of Richard Lawson, brother of Epaphroditus Lawson whose daughter Elizabeth married Robert Payne of old Rappahannock Co., VA. 1660: 7 Feb 1659/60 Ä John Payne made an affidavit in connection with his bill for transporting 1500 lbs. of pork to James Town by boat, his age being recorded in the affidavit as "44 years or thereabouts". 1665: Mr. John Payne was one of the Vestrymen of Sittingbourne Parish, old Rappahannock Co., VA. Mr.Francis Doughty was Rector. 1674: Margaret Payne joined John Payne in a deed. As late as 1689: Court records in which John Payne is mentioned imply that he is living. Before 1690: John Payne died in old Rappahannock Co., VA. On 7 April 1690, a deed Henry Thacker (who married John Payne's granddaughter) of Middlesex County, VA referred to John Payne as "late of Rappahannock County, deceased". Children: 425 Richard13 PAYNE b. May 12 1633. d. 1709 426 John PAYNE b.c 1639.i.PAYNE:John ; d. 1670 427 George PAYNE b.c 1645.i.PAYNE:George ; d. May 2 1711 390 + William PAYNE b. 1652.i.PAYNE:William ; d. Feb 23 1697+

Source: http://joepayne.org/hurst4.htm

http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/historynews/payne-family-of-boxted

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/2VeF...

John is most likely not the son of Moses Payne. He isn't mentioned in Moses' Last Will and Testament which refers to a Moses as his eldest son.......I disconnected This profile from Moses Payne because it looked more and more like he wasn't descended from him. However, he might be descended from one of Moses' brothers.

Perhaps he is this John Payne. But I haven't found evidence yet that this John even existed.

John Payne

This book mentions Robert b. 1598 as his father. https://books.google.com/books?id=cOsxAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA53&dq=edwar...

As does this.... http://www.thevalleyfamily.org/getperson.php?personID=I17558565683&...

Looking For John Payne, Sr. Lineage In Va. to The English Payne's