John V Le Strange

son of John IV le Strange and Joan de Somery Coat of Arms: https://books.google.com/books?id=lfIxAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA368&lpg=PA368&d...

FMG Medieval Lands database:

JOHN [V] le Strange ([1252/53]-8 Aug 1309 or before).

• The Chronicle of Peterborough names "dominus Rogerus le Estrange capitaneus…dominus Johannes le Estrange" among those sent to fight Llywelyn Prince of Wales in 1282[299].
• Eyton gives some details about his descendants in Shropshire[300].
• He was summoned to Parliament in 1299 whereby he is held to have become Lord Strange.

m firstly ELEANOR, daughter of --- & his wife Joan [de Somery]. m secondly MAUD, daughter of --- (-after 30 Oct 1309). LORDS STRANGE[301].

[299] Stapleton, T. (ed.) (1849) Chronicon Petroburgense (London) ("Peterborough Chronicle"), p. 57. [300] Eyton (1859), Vol. IX, pp. 26-7. [301] CP XII.1, pp. 352-7.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/1997-06/...:

From: Ed Mann <edmann@MAIL2.COMMNECTIONS.COM> Subject: LeStrange of Knockyn Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:49:44 -0500

GE>I have two questions re. the Lestrange's of Knockyn.

GE>Who were the ancestors of John III LeStrange (d.1269)? The refs. given in GE>Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (255:30), where he is mentioned are: Topo et GE>Geneal. II 130; CP XII (1) 350-351, Eyton, Antiquities of Shropshire X 262; GE>Ewen, Observations on the LaStranges, chart, p.1.

Per Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerages, p. 515:

John le Strange, d. 1233.

From somewhere, I have a note that the line starts with:

Roland le Strange, d. 1158 = Maud Hunstanton
John le Strange, d. 1178 then John le Strange, d. 1233.

Again, no source for the first two generations.

GE>The son of the above mentioned John III was John IV (d.1257). I have a Sir GE>Roger of Knockyn (d.1382), who m. Aline Fitzalan, mentioned in Weis" GE>"Ancestral Roots. . ." (27:32), (71:33), (93A:31). I would expect him to GE>be a descendant of John IV. Can anyone tell me how so?

Gleaned from Burke's: John III le Strange, d. bef 1270 = Lucy de Tregoz John IV le Strange, d. 1279 = Joan de Somery, d. 1282 John V le Strange, b. abt 1253, d. abt 1309 = Maud de Deyville John VI le Strange, d. 1312 = Isolda de Walton, d. aft 1311 Roger le Strange, 1301 - 1349 = Maud, bef 1305 - bef 1344 Roger le Strange, abt 1327 - 1381, 5th Baron Strange of Knockyn

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/1999-11/...:

From: Sutliff <sssbo@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Mysterious Maud who married John le Strange Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:16:14 +0000

Kotliar wrote:

Does anyone have any reliable information on the wife of the 1st Baron
Strange of Knokyn, John le Strange? Possibilities I have seen:

Maud de Montibus-(Burke (EP):515; and Complete Peerage XII 1:353 )
Maud Deiville of Walton-Deiville?-Complete Peerage VI:342)
Maud Walton (Weis-Ancestoral Roots of Sixty Colonists Line 249)
Maud Walton of Wauton-Deyville (D'Eiville)? ( no source given)

-Jay

This can be found in the archives. John V le Strange of Knockin was
married twice which may be part of your confusion. CP XIV: 596 gives first wife as Alienore de Montz and second wife as Maud de Walton of Little Wellesbourne, Warw. The archive discussion considers the placement of children for each wife.

Hope this helps.

Henry Sutlif

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2003-04/...:

From: ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com Subject: Re: Origin of Strange (was: How much fact in the fiction?) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:54:13 EDT

The Duchess of Cleveland's (_Battle Abbey Roll_, 1889) account of this family is as follows:

...John, the common ancestor of the two great baronial families that bore the name, was the first of seven John Le Stranges, who followed each other in lineal succession as chiefs of a house "remarkable for longevity, activity, and loyal steadfastness." They had a castle and park at Cheswardine; but the head of their Honour was the frontier fortress of Knockyn, traditionally said to have been founded by Guy the Viscount. Round this, their principal stronghold, "the Stranges gradually amassed an extent of territory which made them formidable even to their own suzerains the Fitz Alans, and constituted the Chatelleny or Fee of Knockyn." They were enterprising and energetic Barons Marcher. John II., who died in 1237, an old man of more than eighty, had spent fully fifty years of his life in the active discharge of the duties of his station. King John greatly favoured and trusted him, and he never swerved from his loyalty, but proved himself a faithful liegeman to the very end. In 1226, Henry III. acknowledged his "great services, large outlay, and losses," by the remission of some arrears due to the Crown. John III. was invested with even wider authority. In 1232 he was Constable of the three castles of Shrewsbury, Montgomery, and Bridgenorth, with "the greater trust or custody of the counties of Salop and Stafford: " and in 1240 had the further charge of the castle and county of Chester conferred upon him by a patent, "equivalent," says Eyton, "to appointing him to the high office of Justiciar of Chester." He was in arms against the Welsh even in advanced old age, summoned to parliament as a baron in 1260, and stood fast to the Crown throughout the brunt of the Barons' War. His younger son Hamo was equally and zealously loyal; but he had the mortification of seeing the elder, John IV., break away from the honoured traditions of his house, and join Simon de Montfort. During the brief supremacy of the barons, this younger John held his father's office of Constable of Montgomery, but "had small joy of his possession. In a midnight march through Kari, he was attacked by the Welsh, and two hundred of his men slain." He was not, with the other insurgent barons, compelled to compound for his estate after the battle of Evesham, being "probably shielded from punishment by the name he bore," but peaceably succeeded his father as second Lord Strange of Knockyn in 1269. He added materially to his influence and possessions by his marriage with Joan de Somery, daughter of Roger, Baron of Somery, and Nichola, sister and coheir of Hugh de Albini, the last Earl of Arundel of his line; and John V., following his father's example, again espoused an heiress, Maud, the only child of Roger D'Eivill of Walton D'Eivill in Warwickshire. Yet none of his successors ever attained the position in the county that had been held by the first Lord Strange. They were not slack of service in the field; nor backward in doing their duty there and one, at least, of them made another great alliance. This was John VIII., nephew and heir of John VII., with whom the direct line of descent closed in 1323; and his wife was one of the coheirs of the last Lord Mohun of Dunster, and sisrer of Philippa Duchess of York, to whose share of the lands the Le Stranges in process of time succeeded. Their grandson, who died in 1461, was the last Lord Strange of Knockyn. He had been selected by Edward IV.'s up-start Queen as an eligible husband for one of her many portionless sisters, and married Jaquetta Widville, by whom he left an only child, Joan, the wife of George, son and heir-apparent of Thomas Stanley, the first Earl of Derby of that name. The Stanleys thus became representatives of the elder line of Le Strange, and held the barony till it lapsed into abeyance on the death of the fifth Earl.

The first Lord Strange of Knockyn 1eft, besides his heir and successor, John IV., three younger sons, Hamo, Roger, and Robert. Hamo (already mentioned) was the loyal Sheriff of Shropshire who stood fast for the King when his elder brother joined Simon de Montfont and was rewarded by splendid grants, comprising Stretton and the fortalice and hundred of Ellesmere. He went with Robert to the Crusade of 1270, in the train of Prince Edward, and died in Palestine. "The elder brother," says Eyton, "perished in the expedition; the younger barely survived it." Hamo left no children, and Ellesmere passed, by Royal grant, to the next brother, Sir Roger, summoned to parliament as Dominus de Ellesmere in 1294; but he, too, was without an heir, and it reverted to the Crown on his death in 1311.