Ralph de Gresley

Was he the same as Ralph Wandersey, of Selston, Wandersley & Levington, son of Ralph Wandesley, Lord of Selston?

Ralph de Greasley

• Father: Roger de Greslet (-1230)
• Mother: Margaret de Longchamps
• Spouses: 1Isabel de Muschamps, daughter of Robert de Muschamps

Ralph married Isabella de Muskham in 1212 in Greasley, Notthinghamshire, England.

Children

1. Agnes de Gresley married Hugh FitzRalph.

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Ralph De Gresley [Parents] was born in 1154 in Gresley, Nottinghamshire, England. He died in 1226. He married Isabel De Muschamp.

Isabel De Muschamp was born in 1194 in Muskham, Nottinghamshire, England. She married Ralph De Gresley.

They had the following children:

• F i Agnes De Gresley

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Biography

On 23 Nov 1213, Ralph de Gresley fined 500 marks for having the land of Robert de Muscamp, father of Isabella, his wife (Rot. de Oblatis, 507).

Isabel was the daughter of the Robert de Muschamps who held lands in Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire and who died before 8 July 1212 when his lands were taken into the king's hand (Rot. Lit. Claus, i. 120).

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"The first person to carry the de Greasley title was William who is mentioned in 1139. Ralph de Greasley married Isabella de Muskham in 1212 and their daughter Agnes married Hugh fitz Ralph, son of the Lord of Selston, who became the first Patron of Greasley church. Eustache, daughter of Agnes and Hugh married Nicholas de Cantelupe and later Sir William de Roos and it is these two who are recorded in Archbishop Greenfield's register for February 26, 1294 as presenting Hugh de Cressy as Rector of Greasley church."

Source: Web Reference: Greasley St. Mary History (dead link) https://cybergata.com/roots/3347.htm

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Of the family which took its name from Greasley the following is a short account, the chief authorities being Thoroton's Nottinghamshire (1790) ii. 239-41, Dugdale's Monasticon (ed. Ellis) vi. 13, and Lipscomb's Buckinghamshire i. 175-6 : —

Ralph, in the time of William the Conqueror, had a son Richard : and he had a son Hugh Fitz-Richard, whose son William (occ. 1 140) first bore the name of Greasley. His wife's name is not recorded, but his son was Ralph de Greasley who married Isabella (or Agnes) an heiress of the family of Muscamp, and was lord of Greasley and Selston as well as, in right of his wife, lord of Muscamp in Nottinghamshire. He probably died in 1228. Their daughter was undoubtedly Agnes, who married Hugh Fitz-Ralph in about a.d. 1215, and from whom the husband assumed the name of Greasley. There is some evidence that she had first in about 1210 married Robertus Lupus. The children of Hugh (who seems to have died in 1260) and Agnes were certainly Ralph and perhaps Hugh. With Ralph's daughter Eustachia the male line of de Greasley failed for the second time and finally. Eustachia may have had a sister Idonea, but if so, the latter died without issue, and Eustachia became sole heiress. She married firstly William de Cantelupe and had a son William born in about 1292.

Source: Falconer madan (Publication date 1899). “The Gresleys of Drakelowe.” Page 210-211. < Archive.Org >

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(fn. 6) It appears that the sons of Robert de Muschamp died without issue. Hugh, eldest son of Robert de Muschamp, by Idonea his wife had no heirs, neither had his brother Robert by Agnes, the sister of Almeric de Gassi, knight, nor their brother Andrew, because Raph de Greseley 15 Joh. (fn. 7) (as in Greseley is shown) made fine to the king of five hundred marks for having the land which was Robert de Muschamp's, father of Isabella, wife of the said Raph, and that he might marry Agnes his daughter, to Robert Lupus (Love:) which marriage either came not to perfection, or Rob. Lupus died without issue; for Hugh Fitz-Raph, and Agnes his wife, daughter and heir of Raph de Greseley, in 12 H. 3. (fn. 8) gave account of 15l. for their relief of three knights fees, which the said Raph de Gresele, held of the honour of Peverell, Nott. viz. two in Claindon, and one in Gresele, with the appurtenances.

Source: Robert Thoroton, 'South Muskam and South Carleton', in Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire: Volume 3, Republished With Large Additions By John Throsby, ed. John Throsby (Nottingham, 1796), pp. 148-152. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp148-152 [accessed 14 October 2023].

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References

1. https://homepages.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy2/ps14/ps14_212.htm
2. Robert Thoroton, 'Wandesley', in Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire: Volume 2, Republished With Large Additions By John Throsby, ed. John Throsby (Nottingham, 1790), pp. 260-263. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol2/pp260-263 [accessed 14 October 2023].
3. https://ancestorium.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I131586&tree=1
4. “Matilda de Vesci, wife of Thomas de Muschamp (d. 1190)” John P. Ravilious Jan 22, 2012, 7:10:55 AM < SGM > Isabel coheiress of Sir Robert de Muschamps married secondly Ralph de Greasley, having issue Agnes married Hugh FitzRalph ex quo Ralph FitzHugh of Greasley (see below) (evidence drawn from Farrer's HKF)
5. https://cybergata.com/roots/3600.htm