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About Thomas de Neville, 5th Baron Furnivall
- Sir Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, Treasurer of England, Keeper of Annandale, Keeper of the Castles of Berwick-on-Tweed, Alnwick, & Warkworth, Constable of Lochmaben Castle1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13
- M, #11086, d. 14 March 1407
- Father Sir John de Neville, 3rd Baron Neville, Ambassador to France, Admiral of the Fleet Northwards, Lt. of Aquitaine2,3,4,14,7,8,10,15,13 b. bt 1337 - 1340, d. 17 Oct 1388
- Mother Maud de Percy2,3,4,14,7,8,10,15,13 b. c 1345, d. b 18 Feb 1379
- Sir Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, Treasurer of England, Keeper of Annandale, Keeper of the Castles of Berwick-on-Tweed, Alnwick, & Warkworth, Constable of Lochmaben Castle married Joan Furnivall, daughter of Sir William de Furnival, 4th Baron Furnivall and Thomasine, before 1 July 1379; They had 1 daughter (Maud, wife of Sir John, 7th Lord Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, Count of Clermont).2,4,6,8,10,11,12 Sir Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, Treasurer of England, Keeper of Annandale, Keeper of the Castles of Berwick-on-Tweed, Alnwick, & Warkworth, Constable of Lochmaben Castle and Ankaret le Strange obtained a marriage license on 4 July 1401; Date of pardon for marrying without a license. They had 1 daughter (Joan, wife of Sir Hugh Cokesey).16,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13 Sir Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, Treasurer of England, Keeper of Annandale, Keeper of the Castles of Berwick-on-Tweed, Alnwick, & Warkworth, Constable of Lochmaben Castle left a will on 12 March 1407.8,10 He died on 14 March 1407; Buried beside his 1st wife at Worksop Priory, Nottinghamshire.4,7,8,10,13 His estate was probated on 28 March 1407.8,10
- Family 1 Joan Furnivall b. Oct 1368, d. bt 23 May 1395 - 31 Dec 1395
- Child
- Maud Neville+17,4,8,10,12 b. c 1392, d. 13 Dec 1423
- Family 2 Ankaret le Strange b. c 1361, d. 1 Jun 1413
- Child
- Joan de Neville3,4,8 b. c 1402, d. 26 Aug 1433
- Citations
- [S2880] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. V, p. 589-591; Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles by Paget, Vol. II, p. 405.
- [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 539-540.
- [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 702-704.
- [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 737.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 211.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 245.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 166-167.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 258-259.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 376.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 52.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 231.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 121-122.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 117-118.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 244.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 229-230.
- [S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. V, p. 590.
- [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 704.
- From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p369.htm#i... _____________
- Thomas de Neville, 5th Lord Furnival1
- M, #12270, d. 24 March 1406/7
- Last Edited=9 Jul 2011
- Consanguinity Index=0.26%
- Thomas de Neville, 5th Lord Furnival was the son of John de Neville, 3rd Lord Neville and Maud de Percy.1 He married Joan de Furnevalle, 5th Baroness Furnival, daughter of William de Furnevalle, 4th Lord Furnival, before 1 July 1379.1 He married Ankaret Lestrange, daughter of John Lestrange, 4th Lord Strange (of Blackmere) and Lady Mary FitzAlan, before 4 July 1401.1 He died on 24 March 1406/7, without male issue.1
- As a result of his marriage, Thomas de Neville, 5th Lord Furnival was styled as 5th Lord Furnival in 1383.1 He was created 1st Lord Neville of Halumshire [England] on 20 August 1383.1 He held the office of Keeper of Annadale on 23 October 1399.1 He held the office of Constable of Lochmaben Castle in the West Scottish Marches on 23 October 1399.1 On 23 October 1399 he agreed in Parliament to the clandestine incarceration of King Richard II.1 He held the office of Keeper of Alnwick, Beriwck and Warkworth Castles in 1403.1 He held the office of a Member of the Great Council of King Henry IV in 1404.1 He held the office of Joint War Treasurer between 1404 and 1406.1 He held the office of Treasurer of England between July 1406 and November 1406.1
- Child of Thomas de Neville, 5th Lord Furnival and Ankaret Lestrange
- Joan de Neville
- Child of Thomas de Neville, 5th Lord Furnival and Joan de Furnevalle, 5th Baroness Furnival
- Maud de Neville, Baroness Furnival+1 b. c 1392, d. c 1423
- Citations
- [S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 14. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
- From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p1227.htm#i12270 ______________
- Thomas NEVILLE (6º B. Furnival)
- Born: ABT 1362/1367, Raby, Durham, England
- Died: 14 Mar 1406/7
- Notes: The Complete Peerage vol.V,p.589. Treasurer of England
- Father: John NEVILLE (3° B. Neville of Raby)
- Mother: Maud PERCY (B. Neville of Raby)
- Married 1: Joan FURNIVAL (B. Furnival) (b. 1361) BEF 1 Jul 1379, Alton, Staffordshire, England
- Married 2: Ankaret Le STRANGE (B. Strange of Blackmere) 4 Jul 1401, Whitechurch, England
- Children:
- 1. Maud NEVILLE (B. Le Strange/C.Shrewsbury)
- 2. Joan NEVILLE
- From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/NEVILLE1.htm#Thomas NEVILLE (6º B. Furnival) _______________
- Thomas De Neville
- Birth: 1362 County Durham, England
- Death: Mar. 14, 1406 Nottinghamshire, England
- Son of John de Neville, 3rd Baron Neville de Raby and Maud de Percy, Lady Neville
- Husband of Baroness Joan Furnival and Ankaret Le Strange, Baroness Talbot
- Father of Margaret de Neville; Maud Talbot (De Neville) and Joan de Neville
- Brother of Alice Deincourt; Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland; Matilda de Neville; Alice Devereux; Maud de Neville
- Family links:
- Parents:
- John de Neville (1328 - 1388)
- Maud de Percy Neville (1335 - 1379)
- Spouses:
- Joan De Furnival De Neville (1375 - 1395)
- Ankaret LeStrange Neville (____ - 1413)*
- Children:
- Maud Neville Talbot (1392 - 1423)*
- Siblings:
- Thomas De Neville (1362 - 1406)
- Ralph de Neville (1364 - 1425)*
- John Neville (1382 - 1430)**
- *Calculated relationship
- **Half-sibling
- Burial: Worksop Priory, Worksop, Bassetlaw District, Nottinghamshire, England
- Find A Grave Memorial# 91146880
- From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=91146880 __________________
- Baron Furnivall is an ancient title in the Peerage of England. It was originally created (by writ) when Thomas de Furnivall was summoned to the Model Parliament of 1295 as Lord Furnivall. The barony eventually passed to Thomas Nevill, who had married the first baron's descendant Joan de Furnivall, and he was summoned to parliament in her right. Their daughter, Maud de Neville, married John Talbot, who was also summoned to parliament in her right. He was later created Earl of Shrewsbury. On the death of the seventh earl in 1616, the barony fell into abeyance. The abeyance was terminated naturally in favour of the earl's daughter Alethea Howard in 1651 and passed through her to the Dukes of Norfolk. On the death of the ninth Duke in 1777, the barony again fell into abeyance. In 1913 the abeyance was terminated again in favour of Mary Frances Katherine Petre, daughter of Bernard Petre, 14th Baron Petre. Through her father she was a great-great-great-granddaughter of the ninth Baron Petre and his first wife Anne Howard, niece of the ninth Duke of Norfolk (and 18th Baron Furnivall), who became co-heir to the Barony on her uncle's death in 1777. On Lady Furnivall's death in 1968 the barony fell into abeyance for the third time.
- Barons Furnivall (1295)
- Thomas de Furnivall, 1st Baron Furnivall (d. 1332)
- Thomas de Furnivall, 2nd Baron Furnivall (1301–1339)
- Thomas de Furnivall, 3rd Baron Furnivall (1322–1364)
- William de Furnivall, 4th Baron Furnivall (d. 1383)
- Thomas Nevill, 5th Baron Furnivall (d. 1407)
- Maud Nevill, 6th Baroness Furnivall
- John Talbot, 6th Baron Furnivall jure uxoris (1390–1453) (created Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford in 1442)
- John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, 7th Baron Furnivall (1413–1460)
- John Talbot, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury, 8th Baron Furnivall (1448–1473)
- George Talbot, 4th Earl of Shrewsbury, 9th Baron Furnivall (1468–1538)
- Francis Talbot, 5th Earl of Shrewsbury, 10th Baron Furnivall (1500–1560)
- George Talbot, 6th Earl of Shrewsbury, 11th Baron Furnivall (1522–1590)
- Gilbert Talbot, 7th Earl of Shrewsbury, 12th Baron Furnivall (1552–1616) (abeyant 1616)
- Co-heirs: Mary Herbert, Countess of Pembroke (died 1649 without issue); Elizabeth Grey, Countess of Kent (died 1651 without issue); and Alethea Howard, Countess of Arundel (died 1654 with issue)
- Alethea Howard, 13th Baroness Furnivall (d. 1654) (abeyance terminated as sole heir 1651)
- Thomas Howard, 5th Duke of Norfolk, 14th Baron Furnivall (1627–1677)
- Henry Howard, 6th Duke of Norfolk, 15th Baron Furnivall (1628–1684)
- Henry Howard, 7th Duke of Norfolk, 16th Baron Furnivall (1655–1701)
- Thomas Howard, 8th Duke of Norfolk, 17th Baron Furnivall (1683–1732)
- Edward Howard, 9th Duke of Norfolk, 18th Baron Furnivall (1685–1777) (abeyant 1777)
- List of co-heirs:
- .... etc.
- From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Furnivall _______________
- Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 40
- Neville, John de by James Tait
- NEVILLE, JOHN de, fifth Baron Neville of Raby (d. 1388), was the eldest son of Ralph de Neville, fourth baron Neville of Raby [q. v.], by his wife Alice, daughter of Sir Hugh de Audley of Stratton-Audley, in Oxfordshire, and aunt of Sir James Audley, one of the most gallant followers of the Black Prince (Beltz, Memorials of the Order of the Garter, p. 75). His brothers, Alexander, archbishop of York [q. v.], and Sir William (d. 1389?) [q. v.], are separately noticed. In the inquisition taken in 1368, after his father's death, John Neville is described as then twenty-six years of age (ib. p. 166). But this is undoubtedly an error, as both John and his next brother Robert were old enough to take part in the Earl of Derby's Gascon campaign of 1345. He was present with his father at the battle of Neville's Cross on 17 Oct. 1346, and accompanied the Earl of Lancaster to Gascony in 1349 (Froissart, viii. 9, ed. Lettenhove; ‘Durham Register,’ in Dugdale's Baronage, i. 296; Galfrid le Baker, p. 108). In April 1360 Edward III, approaching within two leagues of Paris, knighted Neville, with Lord Fitzwalter and others, who had undertaken to skirmish up to the walls of the city under the leadership of Sir Walter Manny (Froissart, v. 231). There is some reason to believe that he took part in the Black Prince's Spanish expedition in the spring of 1367 (Chandos, p. 152; Froissart, vii. 7).
- His father died in August of this year, and early in the next Neville was summoned to parliament (Nicolas, Historic Peerage, p. 346). The lord of Raby and Brancepeth was expected to take his share in the arduous service of guarding the Scottish border, and the new baron was at once (1368) put on the commission entrusted with the custody of the east march (Dugdale, p. 296). Lord Burghersh dying in April 1369, Neville was given his garter (Beltz, p. 166). Next year he entered into an indenture to serve in France with 240 men, increased to four hundred on his appointment (20 May) to be admiral of the fleet from the Thames northward (Dugdale). Six weeks later he was ordered to assist in conveying the celebrated commander Sir Robert Knolles [q. v.] to France (Fœdera, vi. 658). He was still in command of the fleet at the end of May 1371 (ib. iii. 917, Record ed.) Later in the year he may have proceeded to the scene of the war in France (Dugdale). John of Gaunt, who in this year was left by the Black Prince as his lieutenant in Aquitaine, had in 1370 formally retained the services of Neville for life. He was to pay him fifty marks a year, and defray the expenses of himself and a small following in time of peace, and in time of war to assign him five hundred marks a year for the services of himself and forty well-armed men over and above the king's wages, if he were called to France. If the duke should call upon him to serve against the Scots, he was to provide fifty men and be paid in proportion (ib.)
- The English steadily losing ground in France, Neville was commissioned in June 1372 to negotiate an offensive and defensive alliance with the king's son-in-law, John de Montfort, duke of Brittany, and a treaty was concluded on 19 July at London (Froissart, ed. Luce, vol. viii. p. xxx). Four days later Neville was ordered, in fulfilment of one of the provisions of the treaty, to take six hundred men to Brittany, where he was invested with an authority superior even to the duke's (ib. p. lxx; Fœdera, iii. 948, 953, 961, Record ed.) He lay at Southampton for fifteen weeks before he could get together sufficient vessels to transport his force, or so, at least, he afterwards alleged (ib. iii. 961; Rot. Parl. ii. 329). Sailing towards the end of October, he landed at Saint Mathieu, at the western extremity of the modern department of Finisterre (Froissart, vol. viii. pp. lix, 106). Leaving a garrison there, he presently took over, with Sir Robert Knolles, the command of Brest. The Breton lords were hostile to the English, and, on their invitation, Du Guesclin entered Brittany in April. The duke fled to England (28 April), and Brest was invested (ib. p. lxxi). The progress of the French arms, and the siege of Knolles's own castle of Derval, induced Neville and him, on 6 July, to enter into an engagement to surrender at the end of a month if John of Gaunt, who was bringing over an army, had not previously arrived (ib. p. clx). Knolles seems to have gone off to Derval; for Neville alone signed (4 Aug.) the repudiation of the promise to surrender, on the ground that the treaty had been violated by the French (ib. p. lxxxi). By 7 Aug. William de Montacute, second earl of Salisbury and Neville's younger brother, William (d. 1389?) [q. v.], brought to Brest the fleet with which they had been lying at St. Malo for some months (Arch. Hist. de la Gironde, xii. 328). Lancaster's advance from Calais at this juncture prevented the resumption of the siege of Brest, and Neville either returned at once to England with the fleet, or joined Knolles at Derval (Froissart, viii. 146; cf. Rot. Parl. ii. 329).
- At the consecration of his brother Alexander as archbishop of York at Westminster, on 4 June 1374, Neville was present with a brilliant crowd of nobles (Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense, iii. 528). Towards the end of August he was commissioned, with the Bishop of Carlisle and others, to mediate between his nephew (and brother-in-law), Henry Percy, afterwards first earl of Northumberland [q. v.], and the Earl of Douglas (Fœdera, vii. 45).
- Closely associated with the unpopular John of Gaunt and with the English reverses in France, seneschal of the household in the last years of Edward III, when scandals abounded, Neville did not escape the storm of national indignation which broke over the court in the spring of 1376. The wrath of the Good parliament was in the first place directed against Richard Lyons and William Latimer, fourth lord Latimer [q. v.], but Neville's turn soon came. Latimer, whose seat was at Danby in Cleveland, was a Yorkshire neighbour of Neville, who was to take Latimer's daughter Elizabeth for his second wife. The hostile St. Albans chronicler alleges that Latimer, by pecuniary and other promises, induced Neville to use threatening language to the commons on his behalf. Neville is said to have informed them, in ‘great swelling words,’ that it was intolerable that a peer of the realm should be attacked by such as they, and that they would probably fall into the pit they had dug for others. But the speaker, Sir Peter de la Mare [q. v.], curtly told him that it was not the place of one who would presently be arraigned himself to intercede for others (Chron. Angliæ, 1328–88, p. 80). Neville was accordingly impeached on three counts: for buying up the king's debts, like Latimer; for suffering his troops to plunder and outrage at Southampton in 1372; and for causing the loss of several Breton fortresses by neglecting to supply the full force of men he had undertaken to furnish (Rot. Parl. ii. 229). Against the two latter charges he defended himself with some force. On the first count two accusations were brought against him, one of which the complainant attempted to withdraw at the last moment. It almost looks as if he had been tampered with by the accused or his friends.
- The commons petitioned that Neville should be put out of all his offices about the court, and he was sentenced to make restitution to those he had injured and pay a fine of eight thousand marks (ib.; Chron. Angliæ, p. 81). But the parliament of January 1377 reversed these proceedings. Neville was entrusted with a commission on the Scottish border, and, after the accession of Richard II in June, made governor of Bamborough Castle (Dugdale). In the following year, a more energetic policy abroad being determined upon, Neville was on 10 June appointed lieutenant of the king in Aquitaine, and empowered to treat with Peter, king of Arragon, and Gaston Phœbus, count of Foix (Fœdera, Record ed. iv. 43–4). A few weeks later (1 Aug.) the new lieutenant was ordered to send a force to aid Charles, king of Navarre, against Henry of Castille, whose throne was claimed by John of Gaunt (ib. vii. 200). Sailing from Plymouth, Neville apparently did not reach Bordeaux until 8 Sept., when he took up his residence in the abbey of St. Andrew; and, despatching Sir Thomas Trivet to help Charles of Navarre, he took an expedition down the Gironde, and after some delay recovered Mortagne near its mouth, subsequently taking the Tower of St. Maubert in the Medoc (Froissart, ed. Lettenhove, ix. 84–9, 101, xxii. 289). He was still in Aquitaine in 1380, but had returned to England by 5 July 1381, when he was ordered to provide men for the armed retinue assigned to John of Gaunt for his defence against the peasant insurgents (Fœdera, vii. 319). He is credited with having recovered eighty-three towns, castles, and forts during his lieutenancy; but on what authority Ralph Glover made this statement we do not know (Dugdale, i. 297). During the remaining years of his life he was constantly employed on the Scottish border, first as joint warden of both marches, and afterwards as sole warden of the east march (ib.) According to Froissart (x. 522, ed. Lettenhove), he wished to join in Bishop Despenser's crusade of 1383, but the king would not give his permission. There seems no evidence to support the statement that he did service at some time against the Turks (Dugdale). His last days were embittered by the misfortunes of his brother, Archbishop Alexander, who in 1387 was driven from his see and the country by the lords appellant. He himself was refused payment of the arrears due to him for the defence of the marches (Froissart, ed. Lettenhove, xiii. 200). As late as 26 March 1388 he was placed on a commission to treat for peace with Scotland.
- He died at Newcastle-on-Tyne on 17 Oct. 1388, the anniversary of the battle of Neville's Cross (Fœdera, vii. 572; Dugdale). In his will, dated 31 Aug. 1386, he left money to be divided among his carters, ploughmen, and herdsmen, founded a chantry in the Charterhouse at Coventry, and further endowed the hospital founded by his family at Well, near Bedale, Yorkshire (Wills and Inventories, Surtees Soc., i. 38). He was buried in the Neville chantry in the south aisle of Durham Cathedral, near his father and his first wife, Maud Percy. His tomb, sadly mutilated by the Scottish prisoners taken at Dunbar, who were confined there in 1650, is engraved in vol. iv. of Surtees's ‘History of Durham’ (cf. Greenwell, Durham Cathedral, p. 84; Swallow, p. 294). He had borne the greater part of the cost of the great screen of Dorsetshire stone behind the high altar, begun in 1372 and finished before 1380, which is still called the Neville Screen (Greenwell, p. 71; Swallow, p. 296; Dugdale, i. 296). Neville was the builder of the greater part of Raby Castle as it still exists. He got a license to castellate and fortify it from Bishop Hatfield on 10 May 1378 (but cf. Swallow, p. 272; J. P. Pritchett in Journal of British Archæolog. Assoc. 1886). He also obtained, in 1381 or 1382, a royal license to crenellate his house at Sheriff-Hutton, close to York, but probably left most of the work to his son and successor, Ralph Neville, afterwards Earl of Westmorland (Dugdale).
- Neville was twice married: first, to Maud Percy, daughter of Henry, lord Percy (d. 1352), and aunt of the first Earl of Northumberland; and, secondly, to Elizabeth, only daughter and heiress of William, lord Latimer of Danby in Cleveland. Neville had already issue by her when, in 1381, he received livery of her inheritance. She afterwards married Robert, fourth lord Willoughby de Eresby (d. 1396), and died on 5 Nov. 1395 (Dugdale; Surtees, History of Durham, iv. 159).
- By his first wife Neville had two sons—(1) Ralph III, sixth baron Neville of Raby and first earl of Westmorland [q. v.]; (2) Thomas, who married Joan, daughter of the last Baron Furnival, on whose death, in 1383, he was summoned to parliament as Thomas Neville ‘of Hallamshire,’ though generally called Lord Furnival (Nicolas, Historic Peerage). He was war-treasurer under Henry IV, and died in 1406, and his only child, Maud, carried the barony of Furnival to John Talbot, afterwards the great Earl of Shrewsbury.
- The daughters of the first marriage were: (1) Elizabeth, who became a nun in the Minories, outside Aldgate, London; (2) Alice, married to William, lord Deincourt, who died on 14 Oct. 1381; (3) Mathilda, who married William le Scrope; (4) Iolande or Idina (Swallow, p. 34); (5) Eleanor, married Ralph, lord Lumley, slain and attainted in 1400. A sixth daughter is mentioned in his will.
- By his second wife Neville had a son John, who proved his age in 1404, and was summoned to parliament as Baron Latimer until his death in 1430. He sold the Latimer barony to his eldest half-brother, the Earl of Westmorland (Dugdale).
- Surtees adds a daughter Elizabeth, married to Sir Thomas Willoughby, third son of Robert, fourth lord Willoughby de Eresby (d. 1396).
- [Rotuli Parliamentorum; Rymer's Fœdera, original and Record editions; Lords' Report on the Dignity of a Peer; Galfrid le Baker, ed. Maunde Thompson; Chronicon Angliæ, 1328–88, and Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense, in Rolls Ser.; Chandos Herald's Black Prince, ed. Francisque-Michel; Froissart, ed. Luce (to 1377) and Kervyn de Lettenhove; Chronique du bon Duc Louis de Bourbon, published by the Société de l'Histoire de France; Wills and Inventories, ed. James Raine for the Surtees Soc., vol. i.; Surtees's History of Durham, vol. iv.; Swallow's De Nova Villa, 1885; Dugdale's Baronage; Segar's Baronagium Genealogicum, ed. Edmondson; Nicolas's Historic Peerage, ed. Courthope; Beltz's Memorials of the Order of the Garter; Barnes's History of Edward III; Selby's Genealogist, iii. 107, &c.]
- From: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Neville,_John_de_(DNB00)
- https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryofnati40stepuoft#page/262/mode... to https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryofnati40stepuoft#page/265/mode... _________________
- John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and 1st Earl of Waterford KG (1384/1387 in Blakemere, Shropshire – 17 July 1453 in Castillon, France), known as "Old Talbot" was a noted English military commander during the Hundred Years' War, as well as the only Lancastrian Constable of France.
- He was descended from Richard Talbot, a tenant in 1086 of Walter Giffard at Woburn and Battledsen in Bedfordshire. The Talbot family were vassals of the Giffards in Normandy.[1] Hugh Talbot, probably Richard's son, made a grant to Beaubec Abbey, confirmed by his son Richard Talbot in 1153. This Richard (d. 1175) is listed in 1166 as holding three fees of the Honour of Giffard in Buckinghamshire. He also held a fee at Linton in Herefordshire, for which his son Gilbert Talbot (d. 1231) obtained a fresh charter in 1190.[2] Gilbert's grandson Gilbert (d. 1274) married Gwenlynn Mechyll, daughter and sole heiress of the Welsh Prince Rhys Mechyll, whose armorials the Talbots thenceforth assumed in lieu of their own former arms. Their son Sir Richard Talbot, who signed the Barons' Letter, 1301, held the manor of Eccleswall in Herefordshire in right of his wife Sarah, sister of William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick. In 1331 Richard's son Gilbert Talbot (1276–1346) was summoned to Parliament, which is considered evidence of his baronial status – see Baron Talbot.[3] Gilbert's son Richard married Elizabeth Comyn, bringing with her the inheritance of Goodrich Castle.
- John Talbot was second son of Richard Talbot, 4th Baron Talbot, by Ankaret le Strange, 7th Baroness Strange of Blackmere. His younger brother Richard became Archbishop of Dublin and Lord Chancellor of Ireland and one of the most influential Irish statesmen of his time.
- His father died in 1396 when Talbot was just nine years old, and so it was Ankaret's second husband, Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, who became the major influence in his early life. The marriage also gave the opportunity of a title for her second son as Neville had no sons with the title going through his eldest daughter Maud.[4] who would become John's first wife.
- Talbot was married before 12 March 1407 to Maud Neville, 6th Baroness Furnivall, daughter and heiress of Thomas Neville, 5th Baron Furnivall, the son of John Neville, 3rd Baron Neville de Raby. He was summoned to Parliament in her right from 1409.
- The couple are thought to have four children:
- Thomas Talbot (19 June 1416 Finglas, Ireland – 10 August 1416)
- John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury (c. 1417 – 11 July 1460)
- Sir Christopher Talbot (1419–10 August 1443),
- Lady Joan Talbot (c 1422), married James Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley.
- In 1421 by the death of his niece he acquired the Baronies of Talbot and Strange. His first wife, Maud died on 31 May 1422. It has been suggested that she died as an indirect result of giving birth to her daughter Joan, although due to a lack of evidence about her before marriage to Lord Berkeley, there is even a theory that she was actually Talbot's daughter-in-law through marriage to Sir Christopher Talbot.
- On 6 September 1425, he married Lady Margaret Beauchamp, eldest daughter of Richard de Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick and Elizabeth de Berkeley in the chapel at Warwick Castle. They had five children:
- John Talbot, 1st Viscount Lisle (1426 – 17 July 1453)
- Sir Louis Talbot (c 1429-1458)
- Sir Humphrey Talbot (before 1434 – c. 1492)
- Lady Eleanor Talbot (c February/March 1436 – 30 June 1468) married to Sir Thomas Butler and mistress to King Edward IV.
- Lady Elizabeth Talbot (c December 1442/January 1443). She married John de Mowbray, 4th Duke of Norfolk.
- Talbot is known to have had at least one illegitimate child, Henry. He may have served in France with his father as it is known that a bastard son of the Earl of Shrewsbury was captured by the Dauphin on 14 August 1443.[5]
- .... etc.
- From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Talbot,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury _____________
- JOHN NEVILLE'S BIO DOES NOT MENTION HIS SON THOMAS AS BEING 5TH BARON FURNIVALL & HUSBAND OF JOAN FURNIVALL OR ANKARET LE STRANGE BUT HUSBAND OF MAUD STANHOPE?
- John Neville, 3rd Baron Neville de Raby, KG c.1337 – 17 October 1388) was an English peer and soldier.[a]
- John Neville, born at Raby Castle, Durham, between 1337 and 1340, was the eldest son of Ralph Neville, 2nd Baron Neville de Raby, and Alice Audley. He had five brothers, including Alexander Neville, Archbishop of York, and four sisters.[1]
- Cokayne notes that Neville's public career was as active as his father's had been. He fought against the Scots at the Battle of Neville's Cross on 17 October 1346 as a captain under his father, was knighted about 1360 after a skirmish near Paris while serving under Sir Walter Manny, and fought in Aquitaine in 1366, and again in 1373-4.
- At his father's death on 5 August 1367 he succeeded to the title, and had livery of his lands in England and Scotland in October of that year.
- From 1367 on he had numerous commissions issued to him, and in 1368 served as joint ambassador to France.[2] He was made a Knight of the Garter in 1369.[3] In July 1370 he was Admiral of the North, and in November of that year a joint commissioner to treat with Genoa. He was Steward of the King's Household in 1372, and in July of that year was part of an expedition to Brittany. For the next several years he served in Scotland and the Scottish Marches. In 1378 he had licence to fortify Raby Castle, and in June of the same year was in Gascony, where he was appointed Keeper of Fronsac Castle and Seneschal of Gascony. He spent several years in Gascony, and was among the forces which raised the siege of Mortaigne in 1381. On his return to England he was again appointed Warden of the Marches. In May 1383 and March 1387 he was a joint commissioner to treat of peace with Scotland, and in July 1385 was to accompany the King to Scotland.[4]
- Neville died at Newcastle upon Tyne on 17 October 1388. In his will he requested burial in Durham Cathedral by his first wife, Maud. He was succeeded by his eldest son, Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland.[5]
- Neville married, before 1362, firstly, Maud Percy (d. before 18 February 1379), daughter of Henry de Percy, 2nd Baron Percy of Alnwick, Northumberland, and Idoine de Clifford, daughter of Robert de Clifford, 1st Baron de Clifford, by whom he had two sons and five daughters:[6]
- Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland.
- Sir Thomas Neville of Brancepeth, who married Maud Stanhope.
- Alice Neville, who married William Deincourt, 3rd Baron Deincourt.
- Maud Nevile.
- Idoine Neville.
- Eleanor Neville, who married Ralph de Lumley, 1st Baron Lumley.
- Elizabeth Neville, who became a nun.
- After his first wife Maud's death in 1379 Neville married secondly, before 9 October 1381, Elizabeth Latimer (d. 5 November 1395), daughter of William Latimer, 4th Baron Latimer, by whom he had a son and a daughter:[7]
- John Neville, 6th Baron Latimer (c.1382 – 10 December 1430), who married firstly, Maud Clifford (c.26 August 1446), daughter of Thomas de Clifford, 6th Baron de Clifford, whom he divorced before 1413x17, and by whom he had no issue. She married secondly, Richard of Conisburgh, 3rd Earl of Cambridge.[8]
- Elizabeth Neville, who married, before 27 May 1396, Sir Thomas Willoughby (died shortly before 20 August 1417) son of Robert Willoughby, 4th Baron Willoughby de Eresby (c.1348-50 – 9 August 1396), by whom she had one child, Sir John Willoughby (c.1400 – 24 February 1437).[9]
- After Neville's death, his widow, Elizabeth, married, as his second wife, Robert Willoughby, 4th Baron Willoughby de Eresby (c.1348-50 – 9 August 1396), by whom she had a daughter, Margaret Willoughby.[10]
- From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Neville,_3rd_Baron_Neville_de_Raby ______________
- IS THERE MORE THEN ONE THOMAS NEVILLE WHO MARRIED A JOAN FURNIVALL OR ARE THESE NOT THE CORRECT PARENTS OR WIFE?
- Sir Thomas de Neville1
- M, #107398, d. before 1387
- Last Edited=4 Jun 2008
- Sir Thomas de Neville was the son of Sir Robert (III) de Neville, Lord of Hornby and Margaret de la Pole.2 He died before 1387.2
- He lived at Hornby, Lincolnshire, England.1
- Child of Sir Thomas de Neville and Joan Furnivall
- Lady Margaret de Neville+1 b. c 1384, d. bt 1413 - 1426
- Citations
- [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 107. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Families.
- [S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 14. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
- From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p10740.htm#i107398 __________________
- IS THERE MORE THEN ONE THOMAS NEVILLE WHO MARRIED A JOAN FURNIVALL OR ARE THESE NOT THE CORRECT PARENTS OR WIFE?
- Thomas NEVILLE of Hornby (Sir)
- Born: ABT 1345
- Died: 1387
- Father: Robert De NEVILLE of Hornby (Sir)
- Mother: Margaret De La POLE
- Married: Joan FURNIVAL
- Children:
- 1. Margaret NEVILLE
- From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/NEVILLE1.htm#Thomas NEVILLE of Hornby (Sir)1 ________________
- IS THERE MORE THEN ONE THOMAS NEVILLE WHO MARRIED A JOAN FURNIVALL OR ARE THESE NOT THE CORRECT PARENTS OR WIFE?
- Sir Thomas de Beaufort
- Birth: Jan., 1377, England
- Death: Dec. 27, 1426 Greenwich, Greater London, England
- Third of four children and third son of John of Gaunt and Katherine de Roet. Grandson of King Edward III of England and Phillipa de Hainhault, and Sir Payne de Roet.
- Husband of Lady Margaret de Neville, the daughter of Sir Thomas de Neville of Horneby and Joan de Furnivalle. They were the parents of Henry de Beaufort who died very young.
- Thomas was legitimitised in 1397 by Parliament, even though he was born before his parent's marriage. He was invested as a Knight, Order of the Garter circa 1400, became the Earl of Dorset on 05 July 1411, Lieutenant of Aquitaine in 1413, the 1st Duke of Exeter on 18 November 1416, Lieutenant of Normandy in 1416, achieved the title of Lord of Lillebonne on 01 July 1418, and the title of Count of Harcourt on 1 July 1418.
- Thomas was a military commander during the Hundred Year War and the Chancellor of England 1410 to 1412. He held many posts including the constable of Ludlow, admiral of the fleet of the northern parts, and admiral of the northern and western seas for life. He commanded forces against the northern rebellion in 1405.
- Family links:
- Parents:
- John Duke of Lancaster Plantagenet (1340 - 1399)
- Katherine Roet Swynford (1350 - 1403)
- Siblings:
- Philippa of Lancaster (1360 - 1415)**
- Elizabeth Lancaster (1363 - 1425)**
- Henry Plantagenet-Lancaster (1367 - 1413)**
- Thomas Swynford (1368 - 1432)**
- John de Beaufort (1371 - 1410)*
- Catherine Plantagenet Of Lancaster (1373 - 1418)**
- Henry Beaufort (1374 - 1447)*
- Joan Beaufort Neville (1375 - 1440)*
- Thomas de Beaufort (1377 - 1426)
- *Calculated relationship
- **Half-sibling
- Burial: Bury St Edmunds Abbey, Bury St Edmunds, St Edmundsbury Borough, Suffolk, England
- Find A Grave Memorial# 86765923
- From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=86765923 ___________________________
- IS THERE MORE THEN ONE THOMAS NEVILLE WHO MARRIED A JOAN FURNIVALL OR ARE THESE NOT THE CORRECT PARENTS OR WIFE?
- John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, KG (6 March 1340 – 3 February 1399) was a member of the House of Plantagenet, the third surviving son of King Edward III of England and Philippa of Hainault. He was called "John of Gaunt" because he was born in Ghent, then rendered in English as Gaunt. When he became unpopular later in life, scurrilous rumours and lampoons circulated that he was actually the son of a Ghent butcher, perhaps because Edward III was not present at the birth. This story always drove him to fury.[2]
- .... etc.
- By Katherine Swynford (née de Roet/Roelt), mistress and later wife (children legitimised 1397):
- John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset (1373–1410)—married Margaret Holland.
- Henry Beaufort, Bishop of Winchester and Cardinal (1375–1447)
- Thomas Beaufort, Duke of Exeter (1377–1427), married Margaret Neville, daughter of Sir Thomas de Neville and Joan Furnivall.
- Joan Beaufort (1379–1440)—married first Robert Ferrers, 5th Baron Boteler of Wem and second Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland.
- By Marie de St. Hilaire of Hainaut, mistress: .... etc.
- From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Gaunt __________________
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Thomas de Neville, 5th Baron Furnivall's Timeline
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1362
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Raby Castle, Raby, Durham, England (United Kingdom)
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1384
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or from Hornby Castle, Lancashire, England
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December 21, 1392
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Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England (United Kingdom)
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1394
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Of, Raby, Durham, England
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March 14, 1406
Age 44
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Nottinghamshire, England (United Kingdom)
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March 1406
Age 44
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Worksop Priory, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
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May 16, 1931
Age 44
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May 16, 1931
Age 44
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