Isabella de Radcliffe (le Boteler - so what do I do with Ellen?

Sandy:
"The trouble is the two children (Ellen and John) are 33 years apart in age."

Why is this a problem?
A woman is capable of bearing children between peuberty and menopause so 33 years is perfectly reasonable an age variation for one family.

Remember they didn't have TV!

I agree - totally possible to have children 33 years apart, however it would be worthwhile having a little hunt around in case there are two couples with the same names. Absolutely no barrier to cousins having the same name and being alive in the same general area and time, who happened to have married girls with the same first name. It happens all the time... of course, it may not be so easy to define given how long ago this was.

Very true Michele.
I was not supporting any of the facts, simply pointing out that Sandy's stated "issue" isn't as big a hurdle as she presents it to be.

Well, as for the TV part, what did they do between the two children.

I spent the better part of last night searching for a solution to this problem.

Why isn't Ellen in the familysearch list? Why does familysearch have more than 2 children with that last being born in 1281? John is in there, but not Ellen.

Ellen has to be that age because her husband was born about 1302 and her child was born about 1332.

If there is a cousin out there with the same name I didn't find it.

Between John and Ellen there are 7 other children according to your list, that's plenty of "not watching TV".
Admittedly there is 20 years between Margery and Ellen, Ellen could be an "autumn baby" or perhaps there were lots of still born/ died at birth?
Or maybe there are lots of other children that familysearch has also missed.
Not much point asking questions here about familysearch, you need to go ask them :)
Familysearch is just another crowd sourced database, no better than the quality of the data that people enter into it.

Sandy Coleman You may want to consider the possibility of half-sidlings. The Radcliffe, Radclyffe, Ratcliffe line ( c.1300 ) does not appear to be a walk in the park. There are more than one Thomas and Ellen a gen apart also Richard and Robert appear to like the same names. If I see any reliable info I will let you know.

I figured it out (I think)
Ellen born abt 1302 is he daughter of Richard Radcliffe 1278-1324
Richard is the son of Richard (1240-1326) and Joan/Margaret Boteler.
Richard is the son of Robert (1215-1290) and Amabil de Trafford
Richard is the son of Adam (abt 1180)
Adam is the son of William (1168-1211) and Cecilia de Monthegon
William is the son the Henry (abt 1145-bef 1190)
Henry is he son of Nicholas (abt 1125)
Nicholas is the son of Gilbert Lord of Kendal (abt 1089) and Godith
Godith is the daughter Fulk Fitzreninsfred and Alice St. Qenton

want a reference:
http://www.sueandgordon.co.uk/page181.htm#b13007

Sue and Gordon had this figured out long ago.

Very nice ..... thanks for the url.....ttfn

If William was born 1168 then it's doubtful Adam was born 1180, 1190 would be a better estimate (based purely on the info presented here).