Margaret Wheldon (Diguina) - contradictory DNA evidence.

Roger, if you had the dna test done (through the male), then it would not show up. If you had the autosomal search done, then It also may be that she is so distant in relationship, that the genetic detection is not available at this point. Either way, I don't think that rules anything out.

I joined geni just to respond to this discussion. My tree is over at ancestry dot com.

I am descended from Gabriel and Margaret through their daughter, Catherine. My DNA (23andme) does show Native American ancestry as does my mother's, who is also a descendent. We do not know the source and this is the only person in my tree who is even a "maybe".

Granted, this DNA could be attributed to someone else,. However, I have completed many branches so far and Margaret is the first possibility.

Interestingly, i am descended from Margaret on both sides of my family. However, my dad passed in '77 and there is no DNA sample from him to test.

Forgot to tag Roger Gram Private User

my daughter also descends through Catherine and her sister Ruth.

I am also a descendant of Margaret through The Marchant line,I wasn't looking for any native American ancestors but I know I have the features and the inner connection which I could never explain.My mother commented on how I got so dark in the summer and I stay in the winter with an olive complex.My mother was French through and through,And the Marchant and Margaret Wheldon are from my dad's maternal side.I want to take the Dna as soon as I can.I've seen conflicting reports as well.But a dentist (Strange as it seems) Told me at an appointment," Your not White" I said "Huh?" He said your not white(Caucasian) and your not black(African American) he said he could tell by my gums,they weren't pink and they weren't purple.I know have other mixes from what the old census show,but I would like to put this to rest.

Do you have your ancestry on Geni?

Not much,I have it mostly on ancestry.com

I'm trying to get it in order on my ancestry.com I have some I need to merge profiles,I started to get a headache taking a break for a few days..I wasn't searching for those ancestors,I was just going farther back on my maternal grandmother's side and they came up,then I thought," oh cool" there's the native American link and then I saw all the controversy.But years ago through a different website at a library,it was something.gov? I found a connection to Pocahontas,I took copied it( lost it now) and the librarian said I was related,but I would have to look at the book with her genealogy line to find the connection.I got a headache them too..So much research.Maybe I'll just do the DNA one day.

I can't think of it off the top of my head but Pocahontas is thought to have been related to Oguina, who was one of many lesser daughters of - I think, but would have to look again - Massasoit Sachem Oosamequin (whose name is spelled in as many different ways as there were people to write it). Oguina's name was never Diguina - and it's been driving me nuts every time I see that name listed on Margaret Wheldon. Margaret Wheldon was Mr. Wheldon's first wife. She never made it to America, dieing in Europe. Oguina and several of her sisters were taken by Mr. Wheldon and his brother back to England, where he rebaptised Oguina with his dead wife's name - Margaret Wheldon. (It's a bit distasteful). The name Diguina comes from a family in Europe by that name. It has nothing to due with Oguina. Someone got the names mixed up sometime back, and it keeps popping up, but it is an error. She is not a member of the Diguina families. I don't feel up to pulling all out at the moment. I may be thinking of one of my great *5 grandfather's sisters, though. The name Oguina was translated into colonial english as meaning "Dawn" or something similar. It's in family's books.

Anyway, I just reviewed the info on the Geni site for Margaret Wheldon, and it seems someone has been having a field day with some of the info. Much of this seems incorrect - just a rehash of the rumors off the net instead of factual details.

Oguina was the daughter of Quadaquina and Ova, who were members of a subset tribe of the Wampanaog. One of Quadaquina's brothers was Massasoit Sachem Oosamequin, who met the Pilgrims at Plymoth and was the only reason they weren't wiped out the first year they were in America. Quadaquin, himself, was only really noted with introducing popcorn to the pilgrims and helping to teach them about local farming methods.

Diguina is not Oguina. Oguina is not Diguina.

Her mother and father neither had the name Diguina. Her husband, Mr. Wheldon didn't have the name Diguina. The name she took from his dead wife, did not possess the name Diguina.

she was Oguina.

There was a famous European family at the time by the name of Diguina, and there are still several over seas today.

Sorry I ment to put "Quadaquina, brother of Massasoit Sachem Oosamequin" in that first line. I jumped ahead, apparently, so it ended up listing the wrong brother.

Native Americans only had one name until they met the Pilgrams. they didn't have any surnames. They may have earned a title, or additional names, but most often their names simply changed once they earned them. Many of these were given by the chief of their group.

Diguina is a surname.

Oguina's only surname was Wheldon once she was rebaptised in England and then married to Mr. Wheldon (He wouldn't marry a Heathen, only a Christian Woman).

If your surname is Diguina, it didn't come from Oguina, but from someone else.

I tried adding the name Oguina to the Wampanoag language module we had added to Geni as a name language choice -- but wampanoag is not coming up.

Can someone else try it to be sure?

Also, if there was a deceased 1st english named Margaret (unknown), she should be added to the tree.

Yes. I looked into it. I was told it's a lost word, so they can only go by what the papers said.

My grandfather spoke it, but he passed...

Oops! cr-p. I misunderstood. Sry. I can't get the translator on Geni to work either. I had used a different one on the tribal website.

I only know she died in England before he and his brother came over, and that he gave the name to Oguina when he baptized her in England before they both came back to the US, where he died. Don't know what happened to the brother or Oguina's sister. Don't know where the first Margaret was buried, but may have it in one of the documents around here somewhere.

sry, Erica. I thought we put all this months ago. I'm not thinking too clear. My mom's back at the house and been taking care of her.

I also saw Quadaquina when it came up on ancestry,only when additional information come about was everything starting to get all messed up on my page.I searched some historical documents and found that Gabriel Whelden gave his first wive's name to that of his second wife,and that started much confusion.Then again The Brewster Historical Society stated that his First wife was named Jane and all the Children were Baptized in England,which proved that none were from Quadaguina,and that after Gabriel died all of her Step Children were angry because he had left Oquina everything,which has left me more confused!

Suzanne, if you can find those references & post to Geni, it would be very helpful for us all.

I think I've run across that Jane referrance before. But I can't find anything to support it, since the other historical papers said Margaret got her name from his first wife, also named Margaret.

It's very confusing, and yes, it confuses the hell out of me when I look at it, too. I'm not sure which children are Oguina's and which are another ladies. That REALLY leaves me scratching my head sometimes. One document says one thing and then another will say something else.

Can you find the name of Mr. Wheldon's brother? Oguina's sister was probably rebaptized with a new name, too.

The lines are muddled, but the name and name change are the only parts (listed above earlier) I've been able to verify.

There is also reason to believe Oguina moved back to England with one of her daughters and stayed there, while her kids stayed mostly in America at their colonial homes. Mr. Wheldon was a practicing ... preacher? is that the right name term? ... and could have been the one mentioned when they talk about her marrying a religious person (what was his title? I've gone blank) and going to England.

Ok I will look for them

capecodhistory.us/geneology/Nauset f37.htm#f7857

The one I posted you will probably have to type in,couldn't figure out how to copy with my tablet .That speaks of Jane Weld on being married to Gabriel but goes much further back as well.

Oops Jane weld on not wheld

My eyes are tired Jane Wheldon and and Gabriel my tablet kept changing it I had to for it to spell the name right

Going back to message with my phone my tablet changes words

Love that site.

From http://capecodhistory.us/genealogy/
Gabriel Whelden (c1590-c1654) (several spellings) was among our 17th-century ancestors, and the family is being actively researched.
Gabriel's 2d wife was Margaret, and her history and family are argued about. One theory is that she was a sister of Rev. Marmaduke Matthews, the Whelden's minister in Malden.

Daughter Ruth married Richard Taylor of Yarmouth. Another argument is whether his daughter Mary married another Richard Taylor of Yarmouth.
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Jan Porter and Daniel F. Stramara, Jr. 2009. "The origin of Gabriel Whelden of Yarmouth and Malden", Massachusetts. NEHGR 163:253-261
corrections  2010. NEHGR 164:295-6

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1655 lawsuit image, courtesy of Jillaine Smith, with the disputed evidence of 2 Richard Taylors, both sons-in-law of Gabriel Whelden. Two Richard Taylors or an ancient copy error?

Here's an interesting image:

http://capecodhistory.us/genealogy/1655_Whelden-estate-grey.jpg