John Rice II - John RIce II son of William ap Rice 1521 and Elizabeth Latimer

Again, look at the birthdates. John Rice and Cathrin Perrot were cousins, altho not quite first cousins. They were both descendants of Rhys ap Thomas.

How should we post the photographic proof of doublegangers in 5 gnerations, or is that not necessary? I can fax the photo's I have which are both color tinted, black and white, 8x10's?

you could add the photos to the profiles here....and then link to them and we can all look. Physical resemblance doesn't necessarily mean that two people are related. And there arent many reliable pictures/portraits from the Tudor period.

The Portraiture is Spectacular for Henry Tudor VIII and Elizabeth, Mary Tudor Queen, and The Bust of Henry VII is very precise....I think once you see the Clear resemblences, you too will understand my assertions. Thanks, I'll see what i can do....Im not skilled in uploading data, so I can forward to you on an E-Mail or to Erica....The most compelling are Louis XI and Timothy Rice, Andrew Rice and Son with Henry VII My Father Samuel G. Rice and James I & II My Sister Florence E. Rice/Anderson and Richard III Plantaganent King, & My niece with Both Queen Mary & Queen Anne....April B. Rice is a ringer for Expression and coloring for Queen Mary Tudor....I believe we should keep these private for family members viewing and the research community only....Not interested in having this potential story break into their private lives....That would make me a Pariah......YES?

Cheley, please stop digging up old dead threads. If it's over a year since the last posting, it's likely that nobody's interested any longer.

The whole "physical resemblance" thing is vastly overrated. There are said to be only about twelve standard faces, with minor variations, so it's quite possible to "look like" somebody without being related to them at all, at all. (According to Justin, he and his partner are frequently mistaken for brothers even though they have practically no ancestors in common.)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/strangers-who-look-like-twins-im-not...

Getting nasty with people won't get you anything you want.

Oh Unknown Profile, I made the statement about a thread "to just let it die" as it had gone on for some time off the original topic as Maven had said. It was not meant to be unkind or anything but just a response to a question as in conversation, but it was not Maven who said it. I did. Susanne

Thing is, *that* John "Rice" was tracked down and positively identified, with considerable assistance from Anne Brannen.

John Apreece

The family is an offshoot of Ap Rees of Brecknockshire and claims to trace its ancestry back to Gruffydd ap Rhys of Deheubarth (this one: Gruffydd ap Rhys)

Details of the family and their manor house can be found here: https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2015/02/157-apreece-of-washingl...

John's sister, the very-often-married Cassandra Apreece, seems to be related to nearly everyone on Geni, through one of her four husbands or, more often, through her daughter Dame Jane Skipwith, who was almost as matrimonially active and had nieces and nephews by the cartload.

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Yes I know. That's a copy and paste of a very old discussion, several years ago.

What's been happening, over and over and over again for eight. years. is that Dale grabs hold of a random Price or Rice or Perrot or whoever and jackhammers him (or sometimes her) into his "family history". Then the rest of us sort out who it is that Dale grabbed hold of, and find out where he actually belongs.

This has led to building out some trees that were previously sketchy at best, but has not, to date, produced any credible connections with John Rice of Dedham (Dale's *known* 6th great-grandfather).

John Rice of Dedham has been, is, and is likely to remain a Brick Wall.

it is cold/closed b/c all wild, unsubstantiated theories/desires of greatness have been debunked. again, closing this discussion is not preventing you from investigating actual facts. however, looking at what dale had to say is the equivalent of reading cinderella and claiming long-lost descendancy. look for facts, that's all anyone asks.

drsjp

has reading comprehension just radically dropped recently? i said good for you to do research. hope you find something, but don't consider dale's oft debunked stories. that is why this thread is dying, it'd initial purpose was the spreads of lies, damn lies, and (no) statistics. also, its good that you are finding new members of your tree, but simply posting their link or including a write up on without linking it to the threads purpose, is a dale-ism.

drsjp

I suppose we'll have to post this link in all extant threads that don't already have it.

This is Dale's 6th great-grandfather: John Rice, of Dedham

His parents, and the part of England he comes from, are unknown.