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Isabeau le Longue, SM/PROG - Isabeau le Longue, SM/PROG

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Private User
7/7/2013 at 10:35 PM

Summary of messages recently exchanged which need to be on record.

Private User asked - "Could you please check her birth date and her father's death date, as she was born 5 years after the date of her father?"
Private User replied - "Her dates appear to be correct - I have contacted manager of her father's profile"

Private added -
"As far as I can ascertain, we have no sources for either her father's name or her birthdate.

Harry Booysens in 'The Good Ship China' (Familia 47 2010 no 1). Read on http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/remarkablewriting/GoodShipChina.pdf

"In La Motte [d’Aigues] we also find Suzanne Goirande and her (suggested) *
cousin Isabeau Long.

Note to the above: * 'M Boucher, Frankfurt am Main and the Cape refugees, Bulletin of the Huguenot Society of South Africa, 19, p 12 (1981). The author finds no such relationship in studying the Swiss and German churchbooks that
Boucher perused' '

I would suggest that her birth date is probably earlier than 1668 (she would have been only 19 in 1687 when she flew to Frankfurt. Her flight suggests that she was older and had formed the idea of resistance) and that her father might rather have been a Jean le Longue (She named her second son 'Jean')

Her father's manager, Bertie (Jorrie/Burt) Jordaan, was last online 18 Oct 2011. We're on our own here."

Private User replied - "I agree that without a source we shouldn't have the parents BUT I always think that where there is smoke ...

So I suggest that they need to stay in the loop until we can say yay or nay one way or the other." and started this discussion.
Private User is still active on GENi - Do you have further information Bertie? We need sources!

Private User
7/8/2013 at 2:30 AM

Frans van der Merwe Oosthuizen posted - Agree, lots of smoke, but not very clear.

Doing a google search on this (frowned upon, i know), shows that some refer to Isabeau le Longue as Elizabeth le Long. It is not clear if this should be the same person, or maybe there were two individuals, but related (and both married to Jacques Malan!?).

Some digging to be done...

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA/1998-07/...
http://www.geni.com/projects/SA-French-Huguenot-Settlers/8652 (Sien inskrywing - MALAN)
http://www.morgenthal.co.za/getperson.php?personID=I12026&tree=... (Lys as Elizabeau - dalk rede hoe Isabeau Elizabeth reraak het?)
http://www.vanheerden.com/getperson.php?personID=I7826&tree... (Isabeau (Elizabeth), suster van Jean le Long arriveer gedurende 1688 aan die Kaap.)
en hier word ouers aangegee as Jean le Long en Maria COCHE:
http://www.hanekom.org.uk/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I1747&a......

Perhaps somebody has access to some of the sources used in these trees to confirm?

Private User
7/8/2013 at 2:32 AM

Private posted
June Iagree with you.
My eiertjie-
Isabeau became Elizabeth in South Africa due to the fact that the Dutch people could not always spel the French names.
As far as Le Long (again South African spelling) and le Longue/le Lonque/and le Long, the same surname
Yes then there is a sister. Ag it is always a mess. Dankie Frans vir die deeglike navorsing.

Private
7/8/2013 at 2:35 AM

Will do. I feel like working on my own PAF today and get everthing correct there. Teary today. Missing my child.

Frans van der Merwe Oosthuizen
7/8/2013 at 2:39 AM

Regarding her parents as being Jean and Maria Coche: Jean was more likely to be her brother, and Maria thus her sister-in-law...

The first 50 year project shows
http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g11/p11758.htm

Good resource on Isabeu / Elizabeth:
http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g8/p8268.htm
Sharon Doubell C
7/9/2013 at 3:08 AM

Glad to see all this research attention being paid to getting my 8th great granny's data correct. Thank you guys.

Private User
11/30/2013 at 3:53 AM

Left attached to parents Jean Le Long and Maria Coche after a tree conflict where the alternative parents sounded very wrong - the mother would have been 68 at the time of Isabeau's birth. Still no source emerged for these parents - left smoking!!!

Private
11/30/2013 at 5:18 AM

Thank you June. Great work as always.
Sharon Doubell C
1/15/2021 at 2:15 AM

Without sources for Pierre Le Long and Jeanne Gouiran, it's probably time to cut the relationship?
Sharon Doubell C
1/15/2021 at 2:19 AM

Delia Robertson seems to have had a conversation that convinced her: http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g8/p8268.htm#c8268.1
Sharon Doubell C
1/15/2021 at 2:21 AM

(Witness) Abjuration On 23 October 1685, at la Motte d'Aigues, following the revocation of the Edict of Nantes, Pierre Long, Jeanne Gouiran, and their children Isabeau le Long and Catherine Long abjured their Protestant faith.1

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