William Palmer, Sr. - Further work needed.

Bumping this post up. There is a real mess in the William Palmer family. I have amended his profile to reflect what Robert Charles Anderson's sketch on American Ancestors shows -- two wives, the surname of neither is known.

He had TWO sons named William, once born in England to the first wife, Frances, and one born in Duxbury to the second wife, Mary.

Can we get some help here as the family seems to have been confused with another family.

Private User Private User Erica Howton Dan Cornett and anyone else who has a vested interest in this Palmer family and perhaps another one, if there has been a bad merger.

Thanks to a note by John Rigali, I've taken the step to undo the most recent 3 merges, giving 4 profiles; the wives are a bit intertwined among them, and information such as burial location is probably incorrect on one of the two which currently have it the same.

#1: William Palmer, of Duxbury (has ID 6000000006802922200) ... is MP; we will designate this one as the immigrant to the Plymouth Colony. Make no other assumptions about dates OR SPOUSES without checking sources ... and cite them, please, with values (WikiTree is not a helpful source in this situation). Currently shown as son of James Palmer and Martha Walker.

#2: William Palmer, of Duxbury (has ID 6000000017291312797) ... also shown as William Palmer I, and nearly the same 'basic data' -- but parents are shown as John Palmer, Knight and Elizabeth Verney, so I would suggest ignoring the current 'basic data' and find out about the son of those two.

The other two:

#3: William Palmer, of Duxbury (has ID 6000000027107206192) ... no dates; parents are shown as William Palmer and Margaret White.

#4: Wiliam Palmer (has ID 6000000028377733782) ... no dates, but shown as son of William Palmer, of Parham and Elizabeth Verney -- yes, the same Verney currently as mother of #2, but different father.

Spouses are also probably not all correctly attached (and they are most likely a big part of the confusion leading to this tangle.

Let's assume initially they are 4 different people, until there is clear evidence that two should be merged. (I suspect that they are at least 3 different people, if not all 4 as different.)

A comment about Sources & citing: To 'cite' with a value, you need to add the Source document explicitly; you can't use a SmartMatch or RecordMatch! To 'cite' with a value, only select ONE field, then enter the value into the text box. Save it. Then re-select the source document, select another field & and put in that value, save it, (and so on).

If fields are already selected for a document, but no values, just unselect (with the 'x') the field, then re-select it & add the value in the box.

This may seem a bit tedious, but it is the best way to compare the "citation" of the source documents agains the current profile's values.

Calling this out again as a separate note: Don't assume spouses (& children) are entirely correct!

FYI: Using the 'gender' field to cite any spouse's name(s) show in that document is one way to get the "values" for spousal names shown in the Sources tab citations.

I would take all the so called English ancestry with grains of salt.

https://archive.org/stream/pioneersofmassac00pope#page/342/mode/1up

The most well known is William of Duxbury, married Frances. He should be labeled that and unless someone is documenting parents, they should all be disconnected.

Elizabeth Bromley was married to William Palmer, of Parham

Disconnecting her from John William Palmer, Knight

Sources / studies

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bart/PALMER.htm

- parents unknown, married 3 times
1. Perhaps Margaret White
2. Frances Blossom
3. Mary Trine, who survived & married 2) Robert Paddock 3) Thomas Roberts

This agrees with Pope's notes, more or less.

- disconnected William Palmer, of Duxbury from parents & merged into the real William Palmer (albeit still with spurious parents I thinkh

Just an additional nail about the "Naylor" William Palmer.

Elizabeth Verney Palmer of Royal ancestry did have a son William, who died at age 2.

"Or in other words, that particular William DIED as a baby at the age of approximate age of two! I am related to that same William and Frances and have ascertained William's origin. I requested the original parish record film from the genealogy family history center, and it is indeed confusing."

Merging http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000027107206192

& disconnecting the emigrant from all parents.

Disconnected William Palmer, of the New Haven Colony as son of William of Duxbury. The families are unrelated.

Place holder parents created to help stop the spuriosity

William Palmer's mother
William Palmer's father

It looks like the following 2 William Palmers are supposed to be the same person but they are both MPs:

Lt. William Palmer, of Plymouth, Yarmouth & Newtown, LI
Lt. William Palmer, of Plymouth, Yarmouth & Newtown, LI

... except their spouses have different parents:
Judith Bowers
Judith Palmer, of the New Haven Colony

Judith Bowers is correct to source, as is Lt. William Palmer, of Plymouth, Yarmouth & Newtown, LI

Suggest you remove the other MP's & merge to the ones above, and select parents that conform to the MPs.

Just to make everyone insane, it looks like there were two related Judith Feake's (aunt & niece) who married UN related William Palmer's (of New Haven & of Long Island, respectively).

I remember being very confused about this family, which is why I asked for help long ago :)

Donald Lines Jacobus had figured it out.

(which is different from showing it in a tree)

Lesson: use the display name & add the geographic designation, it's the only way to keep these colonial families sorted. OK, images help too. And occupations. And notes. And sources. They are "all" needed.

There's another thread about the 4 Thomas Lincoln's of Hingham, MA. I'm not done there - need images still.

These are such good idea Erica. They should really be on a sticky post somewhere for everyone working in pre-Revolutionary families.

I like the occupations addition. I learned from you the other "tricks".

Why do you even bother with this website compared to others of such greater stature...I have been messaged into this when its nowhere near my William Palmer + others have added family members to my tree without my permission..worst site ever..laughable!