Aulse Hicks - documents

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I have been unable to find any documents that proves Chief Charles R Hick to be the father of Aulse Hicks, The connections in the family tree are a work in progress. I have seen many post that say this connection between Chief Charles R Hicks and Aulse are impossible that Chief Charles R Hicks would of been 12 years old at the time of Aulses birth? If anyone has a documents that can prove this connection please help with this. Thank you in advance

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As the curator for this profile, I stand by my notes - that his parentage is not proven. When I made the master profile, I could not find proof that he was the son of Chief Hicks. If someone can point to solid evidence either way, it would be greatly appreciated.

I am not trying to dis credit anyone I am just a bit confused I put my family tree on here to see if I could get any answers and help with finding documents that prove either way I am not sure where to look for this info I was just curious how the connection was made. Thank you for your time Maria Edmonds

It seems there is no proof of who Aulse's parents were based on the notes in his About section and the comments posted here in 2014. And yet he has multiple sets of parents connected to this profile, making it impossible to trust the pathways he's included in on Geni.

Seems that maybe the parents should all be disconnected and the profile locked so they can't be added back without documentation proving which ones are correct .

Please remember there are documented and proven descendants.

I do NOT agree with disconnecting from Abraham Hicks and I have just reversed my disconnection from Claiborne Hicks and Elizabeth Keesee.

I am working on the line and would greatly appreciate if it were permitted to stay as is for a bit...

I am very much aware that my HICKS paternal line is not Native American but it is highly probable that my male Hicks line married a daughter of this Hicks line.

Any serious assistance is greatly appreciated and very much warranted.

Please do, on-lookers and by-standers, remember to be respectful when visiting such profiles as these.

http://myappalachianlife.blogspot.com/2016/12/my-appalachian-dna.html

The DNA IS showing as African. We all know the NA is not available for comparison so it cannot necessarily be used to rule out, especially more than 4 generations back.

I have no problem with anything you stated, Cynthia, but obviously there can't be two sets of parents. At least one set has to be incorrect and it's giving inaccurate pathways on Geni, showing blood relationships that aren't correct. That's why I hate profiles with multiple parents 'cause when I'm tracing a line and hit those juncions, I don't know which pathway valid.

Aulse was NOT the son of Chief Charles Renatus Hicks who was the brother of Chief William Abraham Hicks Charles and Abraham both served as "Principal Chief" and Charles had a daughter named Alsie.
Rather than ask for disconnection, I would prefer to see conversations about who he was.
While looking for my third great grandfather in the 1830 census, I found Aulse today and so I added it to this profile. I am still looking for my Adri's census and hope to find him. I located the 1840 census years ago and shared it. I had to view each census record page by page in the lcoation I thought he would be found and there he was.
The Wikitree profile for Aulse says Claiborne A. Hicks and Elizabeth "Betsy" Hicks There is speculation that Claiborne is a descendant of the "Indian Trader" Hicks Capt. Robert Hicks, Indian Trader who is often smushed with Robert Hicks, of Sussex County the grandfather of the chief brothers and Robert Hicks of Hicks's ford Robert Hicks, of Chowan County It is very important to be able to work on these lines collaboratively.
One issue with the genealogy of this line of Hicks males is that they are not Q and until FtDNA and Geni are able to get the DNA connectivity issue resolved, it is difficult to keep the male lines straight.
As a female Hicks with many of these Native American Hicks cousins showing up in my DNA matches, I am trying to sort them at Ancestry in my private tree and elsewhere but Geni is my MAIN tree and I greatly appreciate the public platform.
I do not object to disconnecting either of these sets of parents but for now, I will again disconnect from Claiborne and add sources if and as I find them.
Anyone who has access to Hicks Y info is asked to please PM me and I look forward to offsite discussion as well as looking forward to other Hicks descendants weighing in.
Thanks to the very hard work of Erica Howton and others here and the protection and assistance of the Southern Colonies Project at Wikitree with what I was able to learn working with Erica Howton here on Geni, that profile for my 9th great grandfather Robert Hicks is near perfect now at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hicks-11427 but any of these profiles ca become wrong in no time simply because of bad merges or newcomers who do not know what has already been sorted.

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Alcie / Elsie Horn born after the death of her mother NN Sister of Gahno.Reverend John Hicks born after the death of his mother NN Sister of Gahno.

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Cynthia, I have been reading your posts & I wanted to reach out & ask what I might do to help w the Robert Hicks (Indian Trader) line. I’ve been led to believe that I’m descended from him through James Hicks & Judith Collier.
I’ve gone to Brunswick Co, VA several times trying to connect the lines, but I feel that I’m missing a generation & I’ve never felt comfortable posting relations that I am not 100% certain of. I know who I am back to James Hicks father of Peter Hicks in Spotsylvania, Va. I want to make sure that the two James Hicks & two Judith Colliers are my line. Any information u might need from Spotsylvania, Caroline or Louisa Counties will be easy for me to research in person. Just let me know if I can be of assistance to you AND thank you for all the hard work you do.
Carole Anne Hicks

There’s nothing to argue about here - MEZ wrote in 2014:

https://www.geni.com/discussions/132632?msg=920869

”As the curator for this profile, I stand by my notes - that his parentage is not proven. When I made the master profile, I could not find proof that he was the son of Chief Hicks. If someone can point to solid evidence either way, it would be greatly appreciated.”

And so it will be again.

On geni, we have conversations about parentage without profiles being connected.  
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A couple of pending merges that appear to be good matches.

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000004550905805?to=600000017...

Erica Howton I put all these names (links) in this same discussion for that very reason.

Private User I (and others now lol) will look at your tree here but my suggestion is to put EVERYTHING you KNOW and DON'T know ON the profile of each Hicks male from you to where you are stuck and start a Discussion there.
If you have not yet done DNA, do it and in several places because each commercial company examines DIFFERENT segments and you will NOT get all your matches.
Understand the differences between the different types of DNA tests and learn WHY men of same lines will Y match but NOT autosomal match.
Lots of suggestions...

No "argument". Just a much needed discussion

Rachelle Roby kit#AH6520100, put the inconsistencies on the profiles concerned. Is helpful there.

Erica Howton Private User

This website says Aulse's parents were

Caliborne Hicks/Hix & Elizabeth "Betsy" Keesee

In one place on ancestry he is shown as Austin Aulse "Preacher" Hicks.

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/171288611/person/2...

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/171288611/family?cfpid=21...

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/PersonMatch.aspx?tid=171288...

Aulse is also seen on various places on Ancestry as Alsa; Auke;

He’s called Austin here

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hicks-4551

In the misguided attempt to connect Aulse Hicks to Chief Charles Renatus Hicks, various people had tried to change Aulse's first name from Aulse to Austin or Augustus despite the fact that every piece of paper he ever signed in Floyd County Kentucky as a minister and well known man had been signed Aulse.

http://myappalachianlife.blogspot.com/2016/12/my-appalachian-dna.html

Jennifer, I have not been able to trace Aulse Hicks to anyone beyond him in the genealogy.

This record says his birthplace was in Virginia (not Tennessee) Cause of Death Typhoid Fever, does not list parents.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/1222/images/KYVR_9...

http://myappalachianlife.blogspot.com/2016/12/my-appalachian-dna.html

Jenn Drumm,the most important words in your comment are "people are guessing"! There is no real evidence about Aulse Hicks' parentage and people attempt to create it out of thin air. That has made the confusion even worse. Until somebody goes to Western Virginia, searches every set of records that were not destroyed since 1700, and actually finds some paperwork with the correct names on it, we will never know.

Roger
August 18, 2018 at 7:59 AM

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If in team work, anyone wants to run the Consistency Checker, like my team does, it is a free down load that, yes, as applied here, is helpful. It comes in handy and works the dates for you automaticaly as to impossibilities.

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