Samuel Jacobus Marais, a2b6 - de Villiers Number appears incorrect..

By merging two separate Marais lines into each other which had different DVN numbers.
if Anna du Toit x NN Marais = Anna du Toit x de Beer
and
if Charles Marais = NN Marais then this whole tree must be renumbered.
Tried to work through the revisions of Anna du Toit and Charles Marais but can not conclusively determine whether the merges were correct.
Suggest that until we (Judi? / June? Other?) have checked the documentation in about me, we seperate the 2 lines by severring the relationship between Anna du Toit and Charles Marais.

The marriage of anna pretorius to charles marais is also suspect as she is married to zacharias de beer at approx the same period.

My sources and this is a line both myself and June have fixed millions of times:
b2 Charles Marais * 1668, x Anna de Ruelle
c1 Charles Marais » omstr. 1695, x Maria Rossouw, wed.v. Lodewyk Pretorius
d1 Charles Marais » 27.9.1722, burger Drakenstein. x 1745 Elisabeth du Toit

And is the same as the Marais Gedcom I paid for to a Marais Researcher in the Cape, GR, Reseacher Emmerentia J v Rensburg and own Research in Cape archives.

But I really don't mind what you number it. My own Legacy programme is correct the way it is according to lots of researchers whom I personally paid and done myself.

Daan is correct. INCORRECT MERGES WAS DONE ONCE AGAIN,

SV/PROG 2 - SVCharles Marais ouers onbekend, x 20.4.1766 Hendrina Johanna de Beer.
b1 Charles Johannes » 29.11.1767
b2 Matthys Adriaan » 29.10.1769
b3 Anna Elisabeth » omstr. 1771, x Johannes Lodewicus Pretorius
b4 Maria Petronella » 20.6.1773, x Josias Esterhuyzen
b5 Willem Sterrenberg » 3.4.1775, x Maria Louisa Fourie
b6 Samuel Jacobus » 16.8.1778, burger Graaff-Reinet, x 19.3.1797 Johanna Adriana Pretorius
b7 Gerhardus Petrus » 11.6.1780, burger Graaff-Reinet, x 12.1.1800 Maria Adriana Vermeulen
b8 Hendrina Johanna » 11.11.1781, x Petrus Cornelis Vermeulen

I hope this clears your problem up Peter.
Have a good day.

Don. As you see above there are two Marais SV's.
I will check if the other one SV1 the well known one also have a son by that name.
Juds

Here was the wrong merge.

Charles Johannes Marais, d1e1

Honoustly I give up. Those two trees were incorrectly merged and that is why our Charles married to Elisabeth du Toit is now also married to the other Charle' wife.
Charles Marais

I do not know why it should be referred to as my problem by Не показывать . I was merely pointing out another discrepancy.

Jammer @Peter William Dennis 'n foutjie.
Groot askuus
Juds

I have split the 2 marais trees again which would solve Don's original query.
The issue raised by Denis has not been not adressed yet. I probably involves splitting Anna du Toit also with one x PN Marais and the other one x de Beer. Judi will you pse address that one - I do not have the back ground

With pleasure Daan. Just busy with other queries but will go there.

DAan thi sone is correct now. Peter Dennis...Gone fishing! could you just give me a link to the other problem you raised and I will try and fix that as well.
Fingers are freezing here in Randfontein with our 1 min 9 max and an icy wind blowing outside. Hard to type.

O aarde. See what I mean. Can't type properly. Daan this one......
Sorry guys.

Anna Marais, b3c5
She is now indicated as being married to PN Marais and Zacarias de Beer

Dankie Peter. Ek het haar unlink van Marais tot iemsnd duidelike beewys kanlewer.
My only concern is that she only married de Beer at the age of 25 which is very old for those days.
But let us leave it at that and when somebody have real hard sources we can look at it again.
I do not find a Anna Pretorius married to SV 2 or his line. Somewhere his daughter Anna Elizabeth b3 Anna Elisabeth
» omstr. 1771, x Johannes Lodewicus Pretorius was mismerged. My "suspisie" is tha t it was due to the name Anna in block 1 and Elizabeth in block b. and the real profiles and numbers/parents were not look at. Just a thought.
Thank you Peter for making us aware.
Jy is 'n ster.
Judi

I have not checked the Anna du Toit x de Beer sources, but what about this entry in SAG:?
NN Marais en Anna Pretorius » 2.10.1718 d.v. Johannes
Pretorius en Helena Vosloo is die ouers van:
SV2 Charl Marais * 3.4.1738 » Paarl 9.7.1739 x 20.4.1766
Hendrina Johanna DE BEER » 29.3.1750 (Matthys-dg) (sy
xx 13.7.1783 Louis Johannes Fourie)

Daan as soon as I can really feel my fingers and done my duties and gone through my de Beer CD I will answer you. It sounds possible, and if all else fails I am fine with that.
J

Hmmm found contradicting sources - on the SV/PROG2 (after making the change)

1. Whom we call PN - had a child Charl(e) Marais with Anna Pretorius in 1738 before she married De Beer in 1743.

2. Whom we call PN - subsequently had another son Charl(e) Marais with his then wife (Du Toit) in 1748

?

Jan
It was like that on the tree until Donovan spotted an apparently incosistent DVN no.

I do not understand your comment "Therefore, this line is the SV/PROG1 line"

OK... Let me try to give it shorthand - had a chance to go through it fully again! :) And please ignore my earlier posts - believe the following is accurate:

1. The SV/PROG1 line

a1 Charles Marais SV/Catherine Taboureaux, SM/PROG

a1b2 Charles Marais 1668/Anne des Ruelles, b2 PROG

a1b2c2 Charles Marais 1695/ Maria Rossouw, b2

a1b2c2d1 Charles Marais 1721/2

a1b2c2d1 had 2 sons - both Charl(e) Marais

Child1: a1b2c2d1e1 - Charl(e) Marais born 1738 - with Anna Pretorius out of wedlock, he was 17 and she was young too... then she married Z de Beer, when she was aged 25 This Charles married Hendrina Johanna de Beer

Charles 1721/2 married Elisabeth du Toit, b6c2 subsequently, then they had 2 children:

Father of Maria Susanna Marais, b2c1d1e1 and Charles Marais, b2c1d1e2 - these should thus be e2 and e3. Charles Marais e3 married Husband of Rachel Hugo; Hester Moller, b4c1d5 and Johanna Margaretha Lessing, b4

SAG is clearly mistaken with the SV/PROG2 - as the above would make the most sense considering the following:

* no record of another C Marais arriving that time? - the words "parents unknown" is at least some indication?

* Anna only married aged 25

* the area in which Charles 1738 made a living - surely was not "in" the mainstream family anymore

* SAG does indicate that Charles and Anna had a son Charl(e) - without them being married.

2. The SV/PROG2 line

There is no such thing! All the a2.... suffixes are wrong should be a1b2c2d1e1... suffixes!

this is the same profile Daan/Judith - both Master currently.

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000026490749904?return=duplic...

You make a strong case Jan!
This illustrates perfectly how putting too much trust in the accuracy of the DVN can be a hindrance...

Mooi Jan, therefore Donovan's original query is the real issue and all the so called errors which we undid, were never necessary.
So both sets of DVN's was perfectly valid at time of their entry in SAG.
Good research work proved that NN Marais was actually part of SV1's line and that SV2 has to be entered in the one MARAIS line and the DVN's duely adapted.
And the beauty of the DVN's (for that matter any structured numbering system) is that if the error played out to the other side, it would not have been spotted if it wasn't for Donovan's spotting of the inconsistency of the numbers.
I trust we will register this in the project IRREGULARITIES and notify GISA - Judi? They are currently working on "L"

Charl Marais then to be indicated as partner to Anna ?

yip