Anthonij Jansz van Bengale, SV/PROG - Mashup btwn Hans Snyman SV/PROG & Anthonij Jansz van Bengale?

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Crossreferencing a Hans Snyman SV/PROG from the Robben Island http://www.geni.com/projects/Robben-Island-Penal-Colony-South-Afric... project - his profile seems to have turned into an Anthonij Jansz van Bengale, but the About's look to me like they might have been mashed into one another??

Thanks, Sharon. Definitely a mashup, as you say.
There are two separate profiles for these two (this Anthonij and Hans Schneider) both linked to Catharina van Paliacatta ('Groote Catrijn'). If you have a look at her profile you'll see the two individuals.
The references in Antonij's About section should be cleaned so that they do NOT refer to Hans Schneider (it could continue to be confusing as it stands).

Ahh, you're right, Johann. I see Hans Christoffel Snijman, SV/PROG here.
I can transfer all the About Me stuff to his profile, but would like someone who knows this line better than me (is that you Johann? :-)) to take a look at whether it is correct.

Lot of repetition,but both men were connected to Catharina [busy lady!],close reading makes it clear that these were 2 individuals & points out that there exists some confusion as to Christoffel Snyman jnr being Hans Christoffel's son,not that of his stepfather Anthonij Janz van Bengale.

Hi All,
Extensive research and work done by Mr. Mansell Upham on early Cape records, which has been published in Capensis (Cape genealogical Society journal) shows that they are 2 different individuals.
Citations:
1. Mansell Upham, "In Hevigen Woede . . . Earliest recorded female bandiet at the Cape of Good Hope - A Study in Upward Mobility", Capensis (In Hevigen Woede) 3/97, 4/97, Western Cape Branch, Genealogical Society of South Africa, (1997): Hans Christoffel Snijman (also found as Hans Christoffel Snijder or Schneider) hailed from Heidelberg in the Palatinate and is first mentioned in the records as a soldier under the Chamber of Rotterdam in 1665 together with Arnoldus Willemsz. Date estimated by compiler. Hereinafter cited as "In Hevigen Woede . . ."
2. Mansell Upham, "In Hevigen Woede . . .", Regular nocturnal activity on the part of a distracted sentry inside the living quarters of the Fort's washerwoman - the Company slave familiarly known to all as Groote Catrijn - resulted in the conviction on 30 July 1667 of Hans Christoffel Snijman
3. Mansell Upham, "In Hevigen Woede . . .", Groote Catrijn's illegitimate son was baptised Christoffel on 9 March 1669 and witnessed by Mooij Ansela The child's paternity was no secret. He was named directly after the father. Throughout his life he identified himself by his father's surname, as did his own children.

Basically Hans Christoffel Schneider was a soldier in the employ of the VOC and was a sentry on Robben Island. He slept with one of the inmates, Groote Catrijn and made her pregnant. He was charged with damaging company property and deported back to Europe.
Groote Catrijn then later married Anthonij Janz van Bengale. The child was looked after by this couple and baptized with his father's name, derived from Schneider, NOT van Bengale, who was his stepfather.
Regards
Gary Westermann

'He was charged with damaging company property' - don't you just love the arrogance of it!! :-)

Thank you that's a really nice summary. I will put it on the profile.

I don't think that too much emphasis should be placed on the surnames of 'slaves' like Anthonij and Groote Catrijn, they change with time and circumstance, and seem to indicate the place from where the person originates. So if he's from Bengal he become 'van Bengale', or 'van Paliacatta' if she's from Paliacat.

Anthonij v. Bengale's estate was inheited by Christoffel Snijman. In these papers Anthonij mentions that Christoffel was his son. Interestingly though, recent DNA evidence suggests that Christoffel Snijman's biological father was in all likelihood from Northern Europe.

Dalk help die onderstaade inligting.

Cape Town Members 1665-1695

Anthoni en
Anike syn huysvrouw. overleden Aug 1665
Neem aan dit was sy eerste vrou in die Kaap.

Anthoni Gillesz van Bangale May 1667 
Hier is dit slegs hy wat opgeneem is.

Anthonij van Bengale
Catharina van Bengale sijn huijsvr: 1676
Hier word hy hy met Catharina opgeneem.

Antony van Bengale 28 Dec 1684
Hier is sleg hy opgeneem.

Hans Christoffel Snijder. Aug 1665
Hans word slegs aleen opgeneem. Kry hom sleg een keer in Lidmaatskap lyste.

1692
Den 12 Maij sijn tot het gebruijk van des Heeren H: Avondtmael aen Stellenbosch overgekoomen
Margaretrha de Savoije van Gent,


Den 14 Augusti sijn aen Stellenbosch tot het gebruijk van des Heeren H: Avontmael overgekoomen
Chrijstoffel Snijman van de Caep,
Baie duidelik wanneer hy sy lidmaatskap van die kerk verkry het.

Cape Town Baptisms 1669

[De]n [g.] Maert 
een soontje van Groote Catrijn wiert genaemt Christoffel 
tot getuyge stont [Ansi] Angila 
Christoffel se doop.

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