Charles Lee - Not a Match in Any Way

Private User,

Do you want me to create them for you and then make them both a Master Profile?

Kevin

Kevin - you can remove "Charles Lee m. Ann Dabbs", but don't try to build a line down from any replacement.

Private User,

I don't understand what you want me to do here. Do you actually want me to remove the wife?

No, disconnect Charles Lee, of Cumberland, VA from William Lee - they are not related.

Private User

Do you agree with what is written here http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/cumberland/bios/lee02.txt

Basically, yes. Charles Lee of Goochland/Cumberland County is not related to any other known Lee family. He is the head of *his own* unique Lee family. Check this out: http://leedna.com/dnaresults.php?id=69

Private User,

Done.

Wow that is amazing!!!

Leedna.com made up a lovely table that can be sorted several different ways - by ID number/individual, by family group, by Y-DNA haplogroup, etc. It makes it very easy to tell who gets grouped with whom (or doesn't).

I do have one caveat: the person *they* call "William Lee, of Richmond" may not be the same person identified by that appellation on Geni.

I've added curator notes to Charles and his parents

Unknown Lee

Good research, Maven, I appreciate you tackling this problem. Really, really, really appreciate it.

Based on birth location I'm thinking this "son" might be misplaced

Joseph Dabbs Lee

And there's already a b1754 Joseph Dabbs Lee ...

Might also be a duplicate. Research cited in http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/cumberland/bios/lee02.txt was done by Molly Shumate, who was about as knowledgeable on the Cumberland line as anyone has ever been.

I'm supposedly descended from one of the William Lees, and it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all (unlike quite a few people, from what I understand) if it turned out that I'm not related to the Stratford Hall Lees, although I believe it would be awesome if it turned out I was afterall! At any rate, I wouldn't slit my wrists over it (again, unlike some others) if it turned out to be a false connection. I've already hit the jackpot in terms of who all I'm related to or descended from on quite a few parts of my family tree, so it wouldn't be a huge loss for me either way. The main thing I strive for in doing my family tree (as I'm sure others do too) is that it's correct as much as possible, that's all I really ask for.

By the way, I'm wondering if any DNA projects have ever been completed on the Hibbard family as of yet? I was just curious!

Thank you all!

Estus Hibbard

At last report, the only Hibbards were part of a mass geographic project at Familytreedna, called the "Cumberland Gap" Project. FTDNA is trying to trace Cumberland Gap ancestors by Y-DNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/CumberlandGap-YDNA/ and mtDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cumberlandgap-mtdna/

There are over 3000 mtDNA entries and over 5000 Y-DNA, so it would be "needle in a haystack" time.

As to Lees, there are over 20 separate family groups at leedna.com, and a lot more outliers. Given that you're not a direct male line descendant, your chances of connecting up with any of them are not so good. You can check it out, though http://leedna.com/dnaresults.php?sort=2 and see if you recognize any names or dates.

So far the only persons definitely connected to the Stratford Hall line have been the three documented members whose tests were requested to set a baseline. Bear in mind, though, that *one* female in a line of descent is enough to break the connection. (E.g. a Lee daughter marries a Hibbard man - and there goes your chance of backtracing via Y-DNA, because women don't have it - no Y chromosome, you know.)

PS: Are you any relation to E.E. Hibbard, the original artist on the Golden Age Flash (DC Comics, c. 1940-1943)?