Elizabeth Council (Drake) - Spurious pedigree for Elizabeth [Drake] Council

Looks like you're probably right Amy. When I get home I will look at all my sources but you make a good case.

Looks like the merge might have been done in 2014. I doubt she ended up in Virginia. Probably a different Elizabeth.

There is an Elizabeth Drake who married a Council but it's NOT the Elizabeth Drake that was a daughter of Sir Francis Drake. I think that's where the confusion comes in. I'll let others more suited for this change everything.

Thanks Arthur--there is a long tradition that our Mrs. John Council is from this family (some say her father was Adam Drake, some another Francis Drake who married Joan Royce), but proving it is another matter. I hope someone else will chime in.

Question

From http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/dr...

"Drake died intestate in March 1637, administration of his property being granted on 14 Apr. to his widow, who later married John Trefusis ..."

(that widow having been Joan, da. of Sir William Strode* of Newnham, Plympton St. Mary, 5s. 4da.4 suc. fa. 1606;

Footnote 4
Vivan, 299, 301; E. F. Eliott-Drake, Fam. and Heirs of Sir Francis Drake, i. 170.

Can anyone try & find that so we can clarify the children of Sir Francis?

Meanwhile I'm separating out Elizabeth, who married John Council of VA

Please see this tree & source

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* http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gawton-1
* [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&lpg=RA1-PA92&a... Richardson, Douglas:] Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd edn (2011) (4 vols)., Volume 2, page 92, DRAKE 16. Joane Gawton, dau of Thomas Gawton & Patience Best, married 1) Robert Drake (d before 29 March 1641 in Accomack County, VA), 4th son of Henry Drake & Mary Lee. 3 children: Robert, Mary Hill, Elizabeth. Joane married 2nd to Thomas Hunt (d 1656); their son Thomas.

- Christian Counsell has been separated from Drakes as parents (Joane Hunt who was not married to Sir Francis Drake MP 1st Baronet)

- Hodges Council has been separated from not-his-wife Elizabeth Trefusis

Nice catch on Joan Gawton!

For what it's worth, many trees show Elizabeth Drake as the daughter of Adam Drake and Joan/Jone Royce, who reportedly lived in Norfolk (a long way from Devon). Some trees try to have it both ways and call Elizabeth's father "Francis Adam Drake."

Adam Drake and Jone Royce married in North Elmham, Norfolk, January 25, 1593.

Elizabeth Drake, daughter of Adam, was baptized in North Elmham July 1, 1599.

(See: The Ancient Register of North Elmham, Norfolk: From A. D. 1538 to A, Part 1631, pages 106 and 117)

But there is no proof that these are the right parents either. For what it's worth, I've never seen any proof that Hodges Council's parents were John Council and Elizabeth Drake. I find it suspicious that none of Hodges' descendants use Drake as a given name.

Regarding the children of Sir Francis and his two wives, the History of Parliament Online article states that there was one daughter by first wife Jane (Dorothy, d.s.p.) and five sons and four daughters by Joan Strode. “Devonshire parishes, or The antiquities, heraldry and family history...by Charles Worthy gives the same numbers.

Joan’s nine children are named in “The Visitations of the County of Devon: Volume 1," edited by John Lambrick Vivian

Chart on page 301:

Sir Francis 1617
Thomas 1620
John 1624
William 1627
Joseph (date not given)

Maria 1616
Sarah 1629
Joan 1631
Elizabeth 1638-9

Dorothy Hele is not listed.

Dorothy Hele disconnected from Sir Francis Drake as father. Thank you, we're looking a "lot" more sensible now.

We still have a small problem: there is no record of any "Robert" Hunt on the lower Delmarva between 1600-1650.

There was a *Thomas* Hunt, who was bequeathed 40 pounds of tobacco in the will of John Symons, Planter of Acchawmack, in 1636. It is impossible that this can be Capt. Thomas Hunt (later a Burgess), who was then four years old.

When dealing with Northampton, Accomack, VA, NEVER overlook the Miles Files http://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/index.htm as a resource.

Thanks for fixing that, Erica.

Thanks for the reference! And the merging! There's still a question about Henry Drake of Frenches parentage apparently.

Henry Drake, of Frenches

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Drake-289
1. "Henry Drake clearly came from Devon, but is there a source for his parents? His coat of arms is clearly correct for him to belong to this line. However, if his WikiTree lineage is correct, then he has a proven descent, through the Prideaux and Poyntz families, from Magna Carta baron William Malet, but Douglas Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry (vol. 2, p. 92) doesn't mention Henry Drake's parents."

Miles Files include Henry Drake 1548-1609 (the one who married Mary Lee), but no parents. Wikitree should be taken with a TON of salt, as anyone can post anything whatsoever and there is a lot of GIGO on it.

Somebody seems to have been messing around with the Drake lines pretty heavily.

There is something GHASTLY wrong with "Henry Drake, of Frenches". Either he is NOT the same person as the Henry Drake who married Mary Lee ***IN 1586***, or Henry Drake and Anna Crunkerene cannot be his parents. I'm inclined to the latter view, as there is a *ridiculous* amount of time-compression involved (father has a son at seventeen, who marries at age TWELVE and has a son at age seventeen).

Particularly since Henry son of Robert of Wiscombe Park had no children ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=YdIKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA347&lpg...

Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry, Volume 1 page 347 "DRAKE OF ASHE"

n. Robert, of Wiscomb Park, in the parish of South Legh, m. Elizabeth, dau. of Humphrey Prideaux, Esq. of Theolwrough, and had issue seven sons and three daus., ...

4. Robert } both in the army, and killed at the defense
5. Henry } of Ostend, in the prime of their age, s.p.

So - Henry Drake, of Frenches is not from the Drakes of Ashe as far as I can tell.

Disconnected from Capt. Henry Drake and not a son of Robert Drake, of Wiscombe Park

Next stop: Visitations of Surrey, 1623, to confirm he's the top of the pedigree

Possibly Henry Drake of Frenches' parents or grandparents came from Devon. There were at least two Drake families in Surrey by the end of the 16th century: Drake of Esher (traceably related to Sir Francis Drake) and Drake of Frenches (not traceable past Henry m. Mary Lee/Lea). Both families used the griffin/wyvern arms of Drake of Ashe, but considering that our Henry also pretentiously quartered his arms with three arms from his wife's family (Lee/Lea, Conyers and Crispe), he may have been "putting on airs". (Source: Surrey Collections, Volume 7, pp. 211-212) https://books.google.com/books?id=mNYxAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA211&lpg...

We now might be missing various profiles. From Surrey Collections:

To these quarterings, however, the deceased does not appear to have had any right, certainly not as quartered with his own coat, inasmuch as the arms appertained to his wife, Mary Lee, daughter of Richard Lee, of Maidstone (descended from Sir Richard Lee, Knt., twice Lord Mayor of London, 1461 and 1470), and Elizabeth Crispe, of Thanet, who, besides Mrs. Drake, had issue three sons, one of whom, Richard Lee, of De lee Magna, is recorded in the Kentish Visitation for 1619, as having issue.

But in Geni, Mary Drake is an "only"

And the daughters are incomplete / missing:

Here lieth the body of Henry Drake, of Frenches, who married Mary Lea, the daur. of Richard Lea, of Maydeston, in the countie of Kent, Esq., by whom he had foure sonnes & two daughters, viz., Edward, Henry, John, <fc Robert, and Elizabeth that maried James Morley, Esq., and Mary that maried Thorn's Posthumus Digges, Esq.,

Found out a lot more about Thomas Posthumous Digges in the Reports of Sir Edward Coke (Vol. 1) - seems there was a really messy Chancery case 1598-1600 that gave many details of the Digges family. https://books.google.com/books?id=FGJHAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA386&amp;lpg...

Posthumous's mother has a father & grandfather noted in the https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofcou43beno#page/140/mode/1up The visitations of the county of Surrey :] 1572 & 1623.   Published 1899. "Diggs.". Page 140.

son of Thomas Diggs of Diggs Place & his wife Margaret, daughter of Sir John Parker, Knt., son of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

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Were her former brother in laws calling her a slut or were they upset with her 2nd husband Thomas Palmer?

I think they just got grabby. (Or maybe Thomas Palmer did.)

We are now missing some 7 or more documentable Parker's

See http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/pa...

There are books with his correspondence ... Of course, we're only interested in those with American interests :):)

John Parker, MP, of Lambeth

(sigh) you think they meant "Parker" not Barker?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stowell/index.htm...

Matthew Barker

A Geni member contacted me privately about Elizabeth (Drake) Council being a daughter of the first baronet.

Elizabeth (Drake) Council was not a daughter of this family. I will detach her. Also, the first baronet did not have the middle name Adam. I will remove it.

Genealogical table of Drake in the book "The family and heirs of Sir Francis Drake" Vol. 1
https://archive.org/stream/familyheirsofsir01infull#page/283/mode/1up

Those Fake Drakes just keep on coming ....

:)

http://www.gendex.com/users/Enf_Bry/Enf_Bry/h183.html

1. COUNCIL, Hodges (or John) 9th gt. grandfather. He was born ? in
England; married Elizabeth DRAKE (the daughter of Adam Drake and Joan
Royce). Child: i. Hodges (Jr.) 2.

2. COUNCIL, Hodges (Jr.) 8th gt. grandfather. He was born 1643 in
England and died after 20 Apr 1699 in Isle of Wight Co., VA (will
written ?, will proved 10 Apr 1699); son of Hodges (or John) Council1
and Elizabeth Drake, the daughter of Adam DRAKE; married Lucy HARDY (the
daughter of John Hardy (II) and Alice Bennett, the daughter of Thomas
Bennett) between 1669 - 1675 in Isle of Wight Co., VA. Children: i.
Hodges (III) , ii. John3, iii. Robert, iv. Lucy, v. Hardy, vi.
Christian.

Notes: On 28 Oct 1690, Francis Nicholson granted to Hodges Council
'The Younger' and Thomas Mann for the importation of 4 persons, 200
acres adjoining John Brown at Kingsale Swamp. On 19 Sep 1691, Hodges
Council and Thomas Mann sold this same parcel to William Keell of the
Lower Parish of IOW. [Bk. 1, pg. 40]

On 20 Nov 1675, Hodges Council and wife Lucy of the Lower Parish sold to
Joseph Vicke, 50 acres. [Bk. 1, pg. 45]

3. COUNCIL, John 7th gt. grandfather. He was born after 1669 in Isle of
Wight Co., VA and died 1747; son of Hodges Council2 (Jr.) and Lucy
Hardy, the daughter of John HARDY (II); married Priscilla JOHNSON (the
daughter of Robert Johnson and Katherine Allen, the daughter of Arthur
Allen). Children: i. Robert, ii. Jessee, iii. Willis, iv. Arthur, v.
James, vi. Austin, vii. John (II) 4.

Notes: December 2, 1710, John Councell of the Newport Parish deed to
John Mackmiall of the same, 300 acres, in Newport Parish, the land being
John Hardy’s of the Newport Parish, deceased, who willed it to his
daughter Lucy Councell, who was the mother of the said John Council and
left it to him. Located on the southeast side of John Fulgham’s Swamp
and adjoining William Westray and William Joyner.

Signed John Councill. Witnessed William Green, Henry Pitt, and
Thomas Cutchin Rec: February 26, 1710/11

William Mayo, born c. 1645. He was married to
Isabel Hardy the daughter of Capt. John Hardy, born
in England about 1637 and his 1st wife, Olive Council
dau. of John Council & Elizabeth Drake.
MY COUNCIL
Family Tree
by David E. Corley

WILLIAM COUNCIL
born 1546,
Bedfordshire England

John COUNCIL (1587-1631) of Bedfordshire, England.
married Elizabeth DRAKE. John COUNCIL was the son of
William COUNCIL, born 1546.

MY DRAKE
Family Tree
by David E. Corley

William DRAKE, II
of Bedfordshire, England
Elizabeth Drake born c. 1599 married John COUNCIL (1587-1631)
They had a son, Hodges Council (1643-1699) and a daughter Isabel,
who married a Col. William Mayo of Isle of Wight Co.,
VA. Hodges and wife, Lucy Hardy (1658-1699) came to
America in about 1670.

Appalachian Aristocracy © 2010-2017 Cheryl T. Duke ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
Council., John Hodges
Abt 1621 Devonshire, England _UID B8DC6916BADB4D43BFD6795B8D3A92060039 Died 10 Apr 1699 Isle of Wight county, Virginia Person ID I7256 Master File Last Modified 14 Mar 2010 Family 1 Elizabeth DRAKE, b. Abt 1623, Springfield, Devonshire England d. 1658, England Married Abt 1638 Devonshire, England Children 1. Robert COUNCIL 2. John COUNCIL 3. Christian COUNCIL 4. Lucy COUNCIL 5. Hardy COUNCIL 6. Hodges COUNCIL, b. 1 Jun 1645, Devonshire, England d. 20 Apr 1699, Isle of Wight county, Virginia 7. Willis COUNCIL, b. Abt 1649 Family ID F5018 Group Sheet Family 2 Alice JEFFRIES Married 1666 Family ID F5019 Group Sheet

The name of this family both in this country and in England
is variously spelled: Hardy, Hardie, Hardee. It is affirmed
that this numerous family with different spellings are
descended from the Norman Knight DeHardy. The family were
Vikings who came into the area of Scotland belonging to
the McTavish clan. They went into Ireland where a county
is still named Hardy. From there they went into England.
The earliest Hardy for whom there is an authentic record in
America was: John Hardy b. 1613 d.1670 who came from England
to Virginia before 1666 to Isle of Wight Co. He married Olive
Council in 1632. She died after 1670. From them descended all
of the persons embraced in this genealogy.
Mrs. Mary Susan Hardy Wood

http://corley.tripod.com/1My_Mayo-2.html
MY HARDY
Family Tree
by David E. Corley

John de Hardy

born c. 1446 Wetwang, East Riding,
Yorkshire, Eng d. c1511 Eng

Generation 2
19 Richard de Hardy b. c1467 Wetwang, East Riding,
Yorkshire, Eng

Generation 3
18 John de Hardy b. c1489 Wetwang, East Riding,
Yorkshire, Eng d. c1544 Yorkshire, Eng m. c1509
Yorkshire, Eng to Lady, Margaret Lapole b. c1490
Yorkshire, Eng d/o Sir, Michael de LaPole

Generation 4
17 John de Hardy b. c1510 Wetwang, East Riding,
Yorkshire Eng d. 1545 London, Eng m. c1529
Yorkshire, Eng to Lady, Mary Stanley b. c1511
Yorkshire, Eng dau. of Sir George Stanley and
Baroness Joan Strange, of Knokyn
(A decendant of William the Conqueror through the
Kings of England, John of Gaunt, Sir Richard Neville,
Eleanor Neville, to Sir George Stanley. Descended
of 5 English Kings and most of the Royalty of Europe)

Generation 5
Children of John Hardy and Mary Stanley
16 Michael de Hardy b. 1530 Wetwang, Bedfordshire,
com. Eboram, Eng d. 1/17/1618-19 Huggate, Bedfordshire,
Eng m. 10/14/1565 Setterington, Yorkshire, Eng to
Allison de Shelton dau. of Sir de Shelton
John Hardy b. Wetwang, Bedfordshire, Eng d. c1641
Befordshire, Eng m. Margery Newlove William Hardy b.
Wetwang, Bedfordshire, Eng m. Emme Nicholson
Jacquetta, George
Thomas m. Mary Vernon
Richard d. 1557
Joan b. 1525 m. Andrew Clarke
Mary b. 1527 m. Leslie Falkiner

Generation 6
Children of Michael Hardy and Allison de Shelton
15 John de Hardy b. 1555 Wetwang, East Riding,
Yorkshire, Eng d. 1614 m. c1576 Yorkshire,
Eng to Margaret Newton b. c1555 Yorkshire, Eng daug
of John Newton
Michael Hardy b. c1590 Southburne, Bedfordshire, Eng
d. 1635 m. Ann Headley
Helen b. 1565 m. M A Kirby
Richard b. 1567 d. 1622 m. ??? Wilson

Generation 7
Children of John de Hardy and Margaret Newton
14 Richard b. c1577 Wetwant, East Riding, Yorkshire,
Eng d. 1645 Isle of Wight Co., VA m. c1579 Yorkshire
Eng to Alice Wilson b. 1/12/1587-88 Yorkshire, Eng
d. Bedfordshire, Eng d/o Robert Wilson
George b. c1580 Yorkshire, Eng d. 1654 Isle of Wight,
VA m. Elizabeth ???
Christine b. c1582 Wetwang, Yorkshire, Eng m. c1601
Thomas Wilson

Generation 8
Children of Richard Hardy & Alice Wilson

John Hardy b. 1613 Bedfordshire, Eng d. 10/7/1675 Isle
of Wight Co, VA m. 1632 Isle of Wight Co, VA to
Olive Council 1615-aft 1670. He m. 2nd c1630 Alice
Bennett b. 1613 Bedfordshire, Eng d. c June 1677
Isle of Wight Co, VA d/o Thomas Bennett & Alice ?
Child of John Hardy & Alice Bennett
Lucy b. 1638 Isle of Wight Co., VA d. Bef 1699 Isle
of Wight Co., VA [Doc] m. 1670 to Hodges Council
1643-1699 Isle of Wight, VA s/o John Council &
Elizabeth Drake

Children of John Hardy & Olive Council

Thomas b. 1635 Bedfordshire, Eng d. 1717 Isle
of Wight Co., VA

John II b. 1637 Bedfordshire, Eng d. June 1677 Isle
of Wight Co, VA [Dis] m.1.

Rebecca ??? m.2. Alice Tucker m.3 Alice Johnson
b. c1636 Bedfordshire, Eng

George b. 1639 Bedfordshire, Eng d. 1694 Isle of
Wight Co., VA m. c1663 Isle of Wight Co, VA to Mary
Jackson b.1640 Isle of Wight, VA d. c1693 Isle of
Wight Co, VA d/o Richard Jackson & Elizabeth Pierce

Olive c1640-1703 Isle of Wight Co, VA m.1. 1656 Isle
of Wight Co, VA to John Pitt s/o Robert Pitt & Martha
Lear m.2 Goodrich Wilson

Richard b. 1640 Isle of Wight Co, VA d. 1734 Isle
of Wight Co, VA m. 1694 Isle of Wight Co, VA to Mary
Vincent b. 1671 Eng d. 1702 Isle of Wight Co, VA d/o
William Vincent & Elizabeth Cleuer

*Isabel b. c.1638, Bedfordshire, England,
m. 1655 William Mayo

Ann b. 1642 Bedfordshire, England
Deborah b. c1646 Isle of Wight, VA

Capt. John Hardy, born in England about 1637, came
before 1654 to Virginia with his brother George Hardy.
He was a member of the House of Burgesses in 1668,
and a Justice of the County Court about 1675.
In 1666, at age 56, John Hardy Sr. received his first
land grant. As we all know land grants or "patents"
were many times delayed for years, so he probably had
been in the Colonies for well over 20 years at the time.
He was granted 1150 acres for importing 23 persons
including himself, his 1st wife Olive Council, six of
his children (George, Thomas, Richard, Isabel, John Jr.,
and Ann) as well as his future son-in-law William Mayo
all of whom were born in England and he had never received
a grant of land for their importation.
Isabella HARDY is the 27th gen. desc. of Alfred
'The Great', 27th gen. desc. of Charlemagne.

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The first three children (those born before 1712) may be of a
marriage to Josie Willis, reported in LDS records. Josie Willis
apparently died before 1712; or it may be visa versa, with Josie Willis
being his second wife and married before 1712.

"It is affirmed
that this numerous family with different spellings are
descended from the Norman Knight DeHardy. The family were
Vikings who came into the area of Scotland belonging to
the McTavish clan. They went into Ireland where a county
is still named Hardy"

Pardon me? Which county is (or was) that?

These bizarre genealogical works which assume that anyone with a common surname must be descended from a common ancestor with the same surname do not deserve any space.

Mark