Guðþormr (Gudröd) Ívarsson King of Dublin - Accuracy of wife's ancestry

Started by Alex Moes on Monday, November 2, 2015
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11/2/2015 at 7:47 PM

I am very curious about the wife of Guðþormr Ívarsson King of Dublin (as well as if he is Ivar's son or father!) she is shown at the moment as N.N. Njalsdotter daughter of Niall Glúndub mac Áedo, High King of Ireland.

IF Guðþormr is a son of Ivar this might explain the puzzle of how Ivar (a Norwegian viking) ends up with a grandson with a very Irish name - Niel ua Ímair.

OR if Guðþormr is actually supposed to be Ivar's father then does that mean Ivar's mother is N.N. Njalsdotter?

11/2/2015 at 9:03 PM

I am not sure what it signifies but i also note that Ivar's grandson Sitric "Cáech" ua Ímair, King of Dublin & York has a granddaughter named Maelmaire (not currently shown on Geni) which is the same name as Niall's daughter, Maelmuire O'Neill. Coincidence or further evidence?

11/2/2015 at 9:26 PM

He might very well be the son AND father of Ivar, but the Ivars will in that case rather obviously be different ones... it's a very common name.

Imair is likely to be "the way the Irish wrote Ivar", and Niall "the way the Irish wrote Njål" (or the other way round). Conssitent spelling in a mostly pre-literate culture (and where a lot of the literacy was in runes!) is too much to be expected.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nj%C3%A5l says that the name Njål is derived from the Irish name Niall, but it's quite common in Norway.

11/2/2015 at 10:23 PM

In older manuscripts Ímar is often spelled Ímhar, and in Gaelic "mh" is pronounced like a "v". Might be relevant here. I don't know. Ímar is the nominative form and Ímair the genitive form.

11/2/2015 at 10:30 PM

I've not seen any suggestion anywhere that Imar had a son named Guðþormr, or anything similiar, except here on Geni, which is why i am inclined to suspect that it is a misplaced duplicate of Ivar's father,

Thanks for the info re Neil/Njal, odd that Cawley makes such a simple mistake - "“Niel” would seem to be an Irish rather than a Norse name.",

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