Col. William Ball of "Millenbeck" - Something to discuss

DISPROVED by DNA studies. This is an outdated and spurious pedigree, I'm afraid.

See http://www.next1000.com/family/EC/ball.richard.html for a good discussion of the Col's ancestry.

See "6 brothers myth" on the New England DNA project

http://www.newenglandballproject.com/ui15.htm

This is the current (and probably not entirely accurate) Geni profile for John Ball, ll, of Wokingham

You will see his "William" son is William Ball, of New Haven

I've joined your copy of Col William to the MP & invite more discussion.

Prestigious journal article here

But Capt. William Ball, of New Haven has no relationship to Col. William Ball of Millenbeck, VA according to The English Ancestry of Colonel William Ball of Millenbeck. Peter Walne. The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography. Vol. 67, No. 4 (Oct., 1959), pp. 399-405 Published by: Virginia Historical Society Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4246576

Thanks Erica, I've just read the article from the 1st link you've posted and will make my way through the rest after some sleep. Appreciate you going over what's likely to have been covered already. cheers.

This is what I am working on as well with my Husbands Ball line. We are on the New England Project and have proof up to Nathaniel Ball (b1625). I have John Ball I which is his 11th great grandfather. I have seen lots of speculation as to who John's father is. I believe there were more than one William Ball that sailed from England.

The Ball that I am working on for our tree is William Weaver Ball aka Capt William Ball. married to Alice Waltham, who died in New Haven, CT. From what I have seen off of several family trees, everything matches up. He had two sons named William (not sure if they both lived to adulthood) and also a son named Joseph who might be the Joseph listed in the above referenced journal article.

Since the DNA testing according to the New England Ball Project have to connection to the William Ball of VA line, I guess the myth cant be true, but that doesn't mean there wasn't another William Ball not related to William Ball of New Haven Colony.

All I want is some sort of proof, guess we will just have to send my husbands DNA in and connect it that way. Maybe someone somewhere can connect the dots. This is almost as confusing as trying to get all the Nathaniel Ball's straight. lol

Further notes on my previous post. There is no way that Capt William Weaver Ball who married Alice Waltham can be John Ball I's father.
I know my husband is directly descended from John Ball I. But I just did the math and I have William Weaver listed as his father, and a brother Francis born in 1584 that would mean that William Weaver Ball born 1573 started making babies at a VERY young age. There is no way my earlier thoughts posted are correct.
Gosh I just wasted like 2 whole days. Do the math Leslie.
Sorry, admin may delete my post

Further notes on my previous post. There is no way that Capt William Weaver Ball who married Alice Waltham can be John Ball I's father.
I know my husband is directly descended from John Ball I. But I just did the math and I have William Weaver listed as his father, and a brother Francis born in 1584 that would mean that William Weaver Ball born 1573 started making babies at a VERY young age. There is no way my earlier thoughts posted are correct.
Gosh I just wasted like 2 whole days. Do the math Leslie.
Sorry, admin may delete my post

Geni would only delete posts if reported and yours has no reason to be deleted, it's a common miscalculation supported by many on line trees. You may however delete your own post if you like.

In addition to the sources Erica provided above, here's another excellent analysis of the available evidence on the parentage of Colonel William Ball, of Millenbeck: D. J. French, The Ancestry of the Balls of Berkshire, Northamptonshire and Virginia a Monograph, 2013, available at https://maryballwashington.com/. French concludes, like Walne, that Colonel William Ball of Millenbeck could not have been the son of William Ball of Lincoln's Inn, London, and Wokingham, Berkshire.

More recent evidence and research (Col. William Ball's COA, etc.) has him related to the Gloucestershire, England Ball's, or closely to the Northamptonshire, England Ball's. I have read and researched a lot on this Ball family, as my great-grandmother was a Ball, and she descends from this line.

I believe Col. William Ball of Millenbeck was probably from Eastington, Stroud District, Gloucestershire, England and/or Stonehouse, Stroud District, Gloucestershire, England, with his father being:

Samuel I Ball

BIRTH APR 1589 • Eastington, Stroud District, Gloucestershire, England
DEATH JAN 1653 • Stonehouse, Stroud District, Gloucestershire, England

Or possibly a brother of Samuel. Col. William Ball of Millenbeck was almost certainly the grandson of:

Rev. Robert Ball, Reverend

BIRTH ABT 1551 • Lichfield, Staffordshire, England
DEATH 21 JUL 1613 • Eastington, Stroud District, Gloucestershire, England

With Col. William Ball of Millenbeck's Coat of Arms (COA) being almost identical to the COA of Rev. Robert Ball of Lichfield.

Col. William Ball of Millenbeck is most certainly not closely related to Capt. William (II) "Alling" Ball of New Haven, Connecticut, as recent DNA evidence proves this. They are though likely distant relatives. Thus, Col. William Ball of Millenbeck is not closely related to the Barkham Manor, Berkshire, England, but again distantly so.

Warren S. McLaughlin III

Warren, how did you arrive at your conclusions? What research and evidence are you referring to?

Thanks,
Keith

One was a Part F. Ball's of Northamptonshire, which outlined that possibly Dr. Rev.d Richard Ball (1570-1631) of the Northamptonshire line could be the father of Col. William Ball of Millenbeck. It is not known if Dr. Richard Ball had a son though. This work was very in depth regarding Col. William Ball of Millenbeck's COA and the very close similarities with the Northamptonshire and Gloucestershire Ball lines. Really COAs are very telling. And we just so happen to know what Col. William Ball of Millenbeck's COA was. DNA has helped as well, and proved that Capt. William (II) "Alling" Ball of New Haven, Connecticut is not closely related to Col. William Ball of Millenbeck.

Rev. Robert Ball of Lichfield is very close to the Col. William Ball of Millenbeck's COA. It was here posited that it was likely one of his sons who was the father of Col. William Ball of Millenbeck. I have included all of Rev. Robert Ball's children in my tree of Ancestry.com and not here. I appears that all of these lines go back to the early Lord William Ball of Barkham Manor, those being the line of Dr. Rev.d Richard Ball (1570-1631) of Northamptonshire, and also the previously mentioned Rev. Robert Ball of Lichfield of Gloucestershire. Dr. Rev.d Richard Ball's (1570-1631) father is Lawrence III Ball (1549-1619), a Mercer.

Simply Googling Col. William Ball of Millenbeck should bring up some good research articles. I suppose that when more male Ball ancestors from this line do their Y-DNA test with the Ball Y-DNA Project, it will further prove the correct lineage for Col. William Ball.

Warren

Erica says, "Nice work, Warren."

Thank you my Ross and Howton cousin!!! I really love the work you do here, and the guidance that you give to the Geni family. It is because of you that I am here!!!

Warren

Just to clarify, "Part F. Ball's of Northamptonshire" is a section of the source I referred to on 9/18/2021: D. J. French, The Ancestry of the Balls of Berkshire, Northamptonshire and Virginia a Monograph, 2013, available at https://maryballwashington.com/. The information about the coats of arms is summarized in this monograph, along with the original sources. The whole monograph is worth reading, not just Part F.

There are many sources on the Internet concerning Col William Ball of Millenbeck, but unfortunately, many of them are not as reliable as this monograph.

Keith, Part F. Ball's of Northamptonshire is a good source of breaking down the close similarities of the Col. William Ball Coat of Arms, and finding that the Coats of Arms of the Ball's of Northamptonshire and Gloucestershire. It mentions the possible connection of Dr. Rev.d Richard Ball (1570-1631) of Northamptonshire as a possible father of Col. William Ball of Millenbeck, but in the whole, that connection appears weakest of the possible father of Col. William Ball of Millenbeck.

Part F. Ball's of Northamptonshire does logically make the connection that the Ball's of Northamptonshire and Gloucestershire are closely related, as their Coats of Arms appear to indicate. I believe this source (and others) point closer to the Rev. Robert Ball (1551-1613 )of Lichfield. Lichfield, Staffordshire is nearby Eastington, Stroud District, Gloucestershire. And Gloucestershire is near Berkshire, England, where the Barkham line resided. Also Northamptonshire is right there near all of these as well. So Northamptonshire, Gloucestershire, Berkshire, and Staffordshire regions are grouped right together. But, even though these Ball lines appear to be related, it appears that that the Northamptonshire, Gloucestershire, and Staffordshire Ball Coats of Arms are the most similar.

Warren