Abraham Joseph / Juzpe Moscou - Abraham Moscou

Hi Sandra, I descend from Abraham and Schoontje's son Morris Moscou who later changed his name to Moscow as did a few others in the family. A lot of the family actually moved back and forth between London and Amsterdam because they were in the cigar industry and the work was better in London for cigar packers, boot makers, and a few other technical trades. Not sure who was there first but being Isaac was 2nd oldest it is likely he was the first to move.

I'm not sure where the 1856 death comes from and I can change it to reflect the known data. There is an 1871 death certificate in Whitechapel for an Abraham Moscow born 1803 which is pretty close - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JVB-7KW. If someone can order the death certificate it should reveal whether or not this is our Abraham Moscou with the Anglicized version of the name.

I noticed your profile isn't connected into the tree and I'd be happy to connect you in if you'd like so you can see how you are related to everyone. As well, there are a few other descendants of Isaac Fairman here on Geni so they would be closer cousins to you.

Thank you Jarrett for your reply. I certainly know that Isaac's aunt and her family (the Hambros) moved to London and then on to the USA. Additionally, two of Isaac's grand-daughters also moved to Massachusetts from London.

Regarding Abraham Moscow's death certificate, if you want to buy a copy of this, Tower Hamlet Council will be able to supply this. You can contact them at

http://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/lgnl/advice_and_benefits/births,_mar...

Thank you regarding the offer to connect me. However, I do not want this, at least certainly not at this stage..

However, when I felt something looked not quite right, I felt I should give out further information that might help other researchers/distant relatives.

One of those Hambro descendants, Anne Dickey, who moved to Massachusetts actually married Morris Moscow's son Louis Moscow. Annie was well known in the family for being a great cook and many cousins especially remember her for her pies. Anne Moscow

Morris and his wife Esther moved to London by 1871 and I remember coming across something which had Morris' mother in London around 1867 (which if Abraham died in London in 1871 this would make sense). I need to find that document and I can share it here. I actually wrote an article detailing why the family moved to London - http://sephardicgenealogy.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-story-of-chuts-h...

I do have some further information, that does not 100% prove that Abraham and Schoontje lived and died in the UK, but it is worth investigating further.

Firstly, Isaac's oldest child who was born in Amsterdam and was named Schoontje after her grandmother. In England though, she was called Jane. According to the Ashkenazi Amsterdam contact I had, he wrote...."Schoontje (grandmother as well as granddaughter) were probably named Sjeine/Shaine in Jiddish, which probably agrees vocally with the name Jane."

Under the name of Jane Moscow (as you said the name changed to Moscow from Moscou) I found the following: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

It mentions a Jane Moscow who died in Whitechapel in 1884 aged 69. According to the Geni site, she is listed as being born on 4 October 1815, so this would tie in. However, I do not know where this exact date of birth comes from! I do know that on her wedding certificate, she would have been born in 1815 though.

I am trying to trace where both she and Abraham might have been buried in London, but so far, not much luck. (I cannot also find where Matilda Fairman, my g-grandmother is buried either!) So far what we can only prove that Abraham did not die in 1856 and that he and Schoontje possibly died in London. At this stage, will see if I can find grave details.

I have read your link, which was most interesting. Just a little point though, Whitechapel is one word and not two. I know the area very well and sadly it has been gentrified and our family history is being demolished. However, the building where Schoontje, the daughter of Isaac and Matilda lived, is still there.

Private User, any idea where some of the family may be buried in London?

Jarrett I have recently been in contact with one of my second cousins, Peter Green. He is the son of Matilda Fairman, the grandson of Morris Fairman, the great-granson of Isaac Fairman and the great- grandson of Schoontje Veerjong. I shall ask if he knows where any of our ancestors are buried, and inform him of this discussion site, in case he wishes to join in and add to our discussion. I shall also ask my half-uncle, Jeffrey Fairman, where his father and my grandfather, Isaac Joseph Fairman, is buried. I believe he died in the 1970s.

Gloria, I have contacted the United Synagogue and they have no record of Schoontje and Abraham being buried on one of their grounds. It would not be the usual family cemetery at Marlow Road, East Ham, as that did not open until 1919. They do not appear to be buried in Plashet which was a cemetery that many Dutch Jews seem to use, according to the United Synagogue records. I looked at some Edmonton cemetery records, but no luck there either. The records might have been lost in the war, as seems to be the case of my g-grandma Matilda Fairman. All we have is the details of Isaac Fairman, whose gravestone I visited at Marlow Road. For your information Gloria, Great Aunt Janey and her husband, Solly Fellerman are buried in East Ham.

I have ordered a copy of a death certificate for a Jane Moscow who died aged 69 in 1884 in Whitechapel and await this. I believe she could be Schoontje Moscou. Hopefully it will give information on who registered her death, which may have been one of her Moscow children who she might have been living with.

Jarrett, glad to report that I can definitely confirm about our mutual ancestor Schoontje Moscou living in the UK. As I thought, she became Jane Moscow and I now have a copy of her death certificate from Tower Hamlets Council. The information is as follows:

• She died 5 Aug 1884 at 22 Duke Street
• Age 69
• Widow of Abraham Moscow, a Cook
• From Asthma – 3 months and Chronic Bronchitis – 5 days. Certified by S. Sawyer, MD
• Informed by: M. Moscow, son, present at the death, of 55 Fashion Street, Spitalfields
• When Registered: 5 Aug 1884
• Registrar: W. Edwards, Registrar

That would probably mean that the date of death you found for her husband, Abraham, your ancestor, in 1871 was probably correct. However, you may want to contact Tower Hamlets Council, as previously suggested, to confirm this via a Death Certificate.

It seems that Isaac, Matilda and baby Schoontje (Jane) Fairman came to the UK before my Great Aunt Phoebe was born in 26 May 1867 but did any of the Moscow family arrive in the UK before or after that date?

I am copying this information over under Schoonje Veerjong’s name as well, for ease of reference.