UK Series 13 Who do you think you are?

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Hello, discovered your project a few days ago, and decided to "follow" and now adding my two-penneth.

Really enjoying the current UK Series 13 of "Who do you think you are?". The last four weeks' episodes have been some of the best ever in my view - Ricky Tomlinson, Sir Ian McKellan, Greg Davis and Warwick Davis. Of those recent ones, I see that the last 3 (not Ricky Tomlinson) are still available on BBC iplayer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007t575/episodes/player

Especially loved the Ricky Tomlinson episode, I think because of the deep passion and emotion he expressed about Liverpool's working-class social history, and how it effected his ancestors' lives, some of them dock workers living and working in dangerous and poor conditions. All really interesting, and very moving.

The Ricky Tomlinson one was very resonant for me as all my family worked on or around the docks in Liverpool (and suffered a series of industrial accidents). My family was Catholic though, so when his family fell on hard times, they ended up living in conditions that were the norm for a lot of my family! It was amazing to see there was a court left, as I have the old maps of Vauxhall which shows them clearly but thought that they'd all been demolished 100+ years ago.

Obviously, Danny Dyer's episode was difficult to top (if only for being the #1 episode to show those lukewarm about geneaology!!), but of all the episodes it was the Ricky Tomlinson that was the closest to home, figuratively and literally.

I liked the Warwick Davis one too, as I think the "and then you go all the way back to the King of England" bit is probably overdone (perhaps the Danny Dyer one was its last hurrah, as it was all very much tongue-in-cheek) and it is the more earthy stories that hit home - all the swings and roundabouts our ancestors had to navigate is fascinating (positively swashbuckling in Amanda Holden's case), and we all have that in our background somewhere if we dig deep. So perhaps they are the actual kinds of episode that inspire genealogy. Whatever, works I suppose.

Pity they never found the first giant in Greg Davies family.

So yes, it has been a really solid series. It clearly has a lot of mileage in the concept.

Hi Bill,
Awwww yes the court dwelling, how nostalgic was that! I hope they always keep it as a heritage location. I found it very resonant and closest to home for me too. One of my direct ancestors, early to mid 1800s was recorded on different occasions as a dock-worker or a carter. I hadn't given much attention to the carter occupation until I watched that episode and learned about the nature of their occupation carting the merchandise heavy loads in and out from the docks on their horse and carts, and the dangers of it all for little recompense. My carter ancestor's sons became mariners, so I'm ashamed to say I have previously given more attention to them than their dad the carter.

Yes all the episodes have definitely been most inspiring. There's a story for every ancestor isn't there. I could relate too to Warwick Davis's reaction when he discovered the bigamist ancestor with two separate families - I've found similar situation in mine, and didn't want to believe it at first! wanted to have got it wrong. Then like Warwick have wondered if it had been an amicable agreement between the people involved, or whether my male ancestor had just decided to do a bunk from his first family. Will never know!

It is a good point - once you've done some digging into your own family tree there are often resonances with our own family stories, so we get added value from the show!

There is quite a bit of bed-hopping and naughtiness on my wife's English side (there is probably something similar on our Irish Catholic sides we haven't unearthed because it is all covered up) - we still don't know who [John William Ash my wife's paternal grandfather]'s Dad was (an eighth of her ancestry, 1/16th of our kids) and her [Sampson Malbon g-g-grandfather] had three children by two different women (the first two children to each being born in the same year), neither of whom were his wife (in his defence this happened before he got married, although he never did the right thing by the women, but he did include them in his will). The latter character is the link back to a Norman baron for which there is a book on the family, so if he'd not appeared on any paperwork, like the other mystery father, we'd have struggled to make the link. We are doing DNA tests aimed at solving the missing eighth issue but it might have struggled to pick up the other one as he spread his DNA around but not an obvious name that would have been picked up.

On the carters: The history of the docks and adjacent has always been of interest as my father was a dock gateman when he retired from his career as a sailor. Everyone worked hard but life was often tough and cut short. One g-grandfather, [Moses Ryan Moses Ryan] was a corn porter, hauling sacks of corn around a warehouse (presumably to be loaded onto carts) and he died when the floor collapsed. My maternal grandfather, [Robert Comerford Robert Comerford] worked a stationary engine in the Vauxhall Brewery and fell into it no long after my mother had brought him his lunch. Another g-grandfather, [John Brady John Brady], worked in the various small steel foundries around Glasgow and Liverpool and died of TB, which is much higher in foundry workers. It wasn't even safe at sea, as another g-grandfather, [Thomas Barnes Thomas Barnes], was a stoker on a steam ship that hit an iceberg on the return journey from Nova Scotia, but he and a lot of those who died might have survived if the ship's owners hadn't cut corners on safety equipment (according to a paper that had been investigating this issue before the sinking). So all little snapshots into the Victorian Industrial Revolution and how it was largely fuelled by the blood and bones of the working class.

There is a reconstruction of the courts in the Museum of Liverpool:
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mol/visit/galleries/peoples/cour...

Who are working with the owners of that last court to preserve it and open it up to the public:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpools-last-...

Messed up the name links, but I don't think it is too confusing.

Hi Bill, my that's all really interesting! Thanks for sharing it and for the external Liverpool links. I haven't been here for a couple of weeks so some good social history study to catch up with here now I see. Going to look at the Courts reconstruction link now that you posted - this should be good.

PS - oooh what a great video at that page - the courts reconstruction .....

Yes, we'll be popping in to see that next time we're in town.

I went to see the courts reconstruction last weekend - a small part of the Museum of Liverpool, but still good. The interactive audio elements of the outdoor privy certainly seemed to prove a "hit" with visitors!

Also on a Liverpool line, I was surprised to see my first MP pop-up in Clare Balding's episode:

Sir Harold Malcolm Bullock, 1st and last Baronet of Crosby, Lancs

They didn't include anything on his parents and I couldn't find an obituary. I did find a possibility in the censuses, but if he was born in Kent, then this is surely his birth registration, which is the wrong year:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XTX-F6K

The best match in the records is a Harold Bullock from Staffs:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMMQ-XFK

But then I can't pick him up in the census.

As he was an officer in the Scots Guards during WWI, I wonder if he was born to a military family which is why he is elusive in the records.

Actually, a parents might be listed as next of kin in his military records but my FMP sub has lapsed, but if anyone has one you can get it via:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records?first...

The 1939 Register appears to find him as Malcolm Bullock in Westminster with an 1890 birth year:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/1939-register?...

However, the most detailed MyHeritage tree has his birth as July 10th in 1889, Bexley, Kent. Which is the one from the census and the birth registration I give above. It would be an interesting find, because all the sources say 1889.

The Service records have nothing to offer - just a listing of people with crucial dates in military career.

Thanks June, pity as I can't think of another way of resolving his parentage.

I've also drawn a blank on obituaries for Malcolm Bullock, which is odd.

I added a section on WDYTYA in the article for Clare Balding, CBE and a link to the article by The Genealogist, who do a handy article on the episodes:

https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/featuredarticles/2017/who-do-you-t...

Someone has updated Bullock's Wikipedia entry drawing on Debretts:

"Bullock was the son of iron merchant Frank M. Bullock, of Milhanger, Thursley, Surrey"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Bullock

This suggests these census results are right:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJZ4-J2M
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9Z8-PCN

But, if so, then his year of birth is wrong, as suggested by the most complete family tree.

Listed in Kelly's as the only son of Frank Bullock, which also fits with the census records:

Bullock, capt. Malcolm, M.A. Cantab., only s. of Frank Bullock, of Milhanger, Thursley; ''b''. 1890; ''m''. 1919, lady Victoria, only dau. of 17 earl of Derby, K.G., and widow of rt. hon. Neil Primrose, P.C.; barr. Inner Temple 1918, late capt. Scots gds., A.D.C. to F.M. lord Methuen 1915-16, attd. British Embassy, Paris 1918-19; Chev. Leg. Hon. (1918); 5 Gt. Stanhope st. W.1 (''T.N.'' Grosvenor 2560); Swynford Paddocks, Six Mile Bottom, Newmarket (''T.N.'' Newmarket 267).

https://archive.org/stream/kellyshandbookof00unse_0#page/296/mode/2...

I've added in Malcolm Bullock's grandparents, aunts and uncles back to the early 1800s. Any relatives can push it back further if they turn up.

And as Ricky Tomlinson's was so close to home and straightforward, I've added him if anyone wants to make him public:

Ricky Tomlinson

Ricky Tomlinson MP'd Thanks Bill!

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