King David of Israel / דוד המלך - NO PATHS NOW TO KING DAVID? But my 4th grandparents path shows?

There's been several merges this month in March that have messed everyone's link to King David. Mine are messed up as well now.

some one has messed things up he went from ......King David of Israel / דוד המלך is your 97th great grandfather.......to ......King David of Israel / דוד המלך is your 76th great grandfather's wife's first cousin once removed's husband.... the same thing happened with ......William "The Conqueror", King of England is your 26th great grandfather... then he went to being my great Uncle and now hes ...William "The Conqueror", King of England is your 27th great grandfather. so when people merge people and these people get it wrong it mucks up every ones trees and then some poor devil has to fix it......... maybe merging should only be left to the curators .....

At this far back NO ONE should be merging past the 1600's unless it's a knowledgeable curator, much less thousands of years. It takes hours if not days to complete a merge and if it's incorrect would take months to fix.

That is also true about the algorithms. If that's the case you'll be able to recalculate it in a couple of weeks.

Well I'm not related to Adam or Eve Nor Noah or His three sons but now my line is connected to the mythology section...lol

Yeah, mine is all messed up too. Wow!

I wish people wouldn't mess with something they don't understand!! Lets hope the Curators sort this out.

I am having the same problem too. He was my gggggsomething grandfather through both mother and father, but that just changed. It is no bid deal , but would love to see the line as accurate; however it turns out.

If David really existed and had children who had children who had children etc. and he lived 3000 years ago, then the likelihood that we all are his descendants would be 100%, just as the same goes for any other person who lived just 2300 years ago and had surviving descendants. It would require that ALL of his descendants died out within 700 years to say that this isn't true, and the likelihood for that is probably zero. At the other hand, some people or groups do not want everyone to be related or have a direct blue lined connection to him, but that's politic.

Private User Go to the Geni Help center, and report the path as a bug. They will probably be able to help you.

Oh my goodness --- not so long ago, King David of Israel was one of my great grandfathers, and now he is:
"71st Great Grandfather's wife's 1st cousin, once removed's 1st huisband" ... not my ancient patriarch any longer.
So, I agree with Colleen, when so many lineages are involved, leave it to those who know what they are doing and those who are mindful of how many lineages can be corrupted in a casual merge. Ignorance is not bliss for those who have to pick up the pieces.

Hello all,
I'm sort of "the" Biblical Curator on Geni. Lately I tend to avoid this specific type of discussion because it gets very frustrating. [sigh] Bad, bad Shmuel! The REASON that it gets so frustration is that 1) people get so emotional about it and 2) It is REPEATED so often. If you look at King David's profile under Discussions, there are 22 of them. A large majority of these are "King David is my..."

The Bottom line is, that to the best of our knowledge there are NO LINEAGES that can claim an even remotely valid claim to reaching as far back as the Bible Tree. NONE.

1) King David lived about 110 generations ago.
2) ALL of the lines through European Medieval "nobility" are fabrications. Every one of them. It was a fashion at the time to "research" these lines, so that every two-bit despot could feel better about themselves. These lines are typically 40-60 generations too short.
3) All of the JEWISH lines take too many shortcuts. In other words, they make connections between people centuries apart, based on oral traditions. They also have around 30 generations missing.

4) Despite being FAKE, these lines are very popular, and people are constantly adding them to Geni, along with hundreds of other duplicate profiles.
5) Because these lines are fake, we Curators are constantly cutting them off.

THIS is why you're alternately seeing King David as an ancestor or not, and why the number of "generations" to him is constantly changing.

maybe that's why Paul had to write this..haha
1 Timothy 1:4 (KJV)
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

I personally believe that the Bible is a genealogy and that Adam, all religion and prophesy aside, is simply the first, oldest ancestor in an actual, factual genealogy, constructed as best it could be -- with a few disagreements here and there -- by sincere, intelligent, dedicated Jewish genealogists of past eras, who happen to be my ancestors.

I think the same is true of Egyptian and other Middle Eastern genealogies and i support the research of people of those lineages my collateral lineages) to link their lines into those lines..

I respect the work of those who did the research which appears in my ancient genealogy, and kept it in print on scrolls and on monuments by laborious hand-copying, century after century, and intended us to use it.

I do not believe that the genealogy of the Davidic / Solomonic lineage is mythic.

I see no reason to doubt it. that it is literal and real. .

If the majority of people alive today, or the majority of Jews, are STATISTICALLY descended from King David, why do cynical, skeptical, denying, destructive members of Geni break the lineage?

"Because he is fictional," they say.

And they know this ... how?

The most boring books in the Bible -- the genealogies -- were written and copied and preserved for millennia because they are fiction?

They tell us then that statistically a million or more people are descended fromKing David, so "it doesn't matter.

I tell them it does matter.

Then they revert to position number one: "the genealogy is fiction." But the genealogy is absolutely the best attempt we have to trace this "statistical" history.

i am sick of the circular thinking. I have in my possession a genealogy of my people. It is called "The Bible."

Geni curators say it's fiction.

I say it is not.

Geni curators say it doesn't matter because i am descended from King David anyway because statistically we all are.

I say it matters because the names of unique individuals are meaningful to me, as are their occupations, their appearance, their interests in life, their temperaments.

Note that i am not bringing religion, God, or prophesy into this. I am strictly speaking of genealogy.

I have a book of genealogy. It is called the Bible. This book, for reasons of hardened and skeptical disbelief, is virtually banned from use here. Any attempt to discuss it is met with jeers.

But i still have this book. And i have family members who demonstrate varied ways of linking to it.

And, like Dr. Anwar Michael Ibrahim, iGenie says that i have ancestors who do descend from this lineage -- but now i myself do not. I went from 10,000 ancestors to 450 ancestors to 2,000 ancestors within the space of one year at Geni, but my 17th century ancestors are all still sitting with 5,000 ancestors and a descent from King David. Something is broken, repeatedly, and it seems that part of the problem is the deliberate disconnection of known lineages at arbitrary points.

I hereby make a serious database management proposal.

I propose that members of Geni have the option to "Choose Biblical Lineage" or "Deny Biblical lineage." There would be two parallel lineages.I would select "choose Biblical Lineage" and King David would return to being my g-g-g-g-grandfather and not my second cousin's uncle's some-one-or-other or a "No Path," as he is now, and i could then return to researching the links i am interested in.

This is a serious proposal. It is a matter of programming. It can be done.

I think that if it is not done, the Biblical genealogists and the Hard-Line Disconnectors will never be able to work together at Geni.

Hahaha. I no sooner posted that than King David went from being "No Path" to being my 114th grandfather. He used to be my 97th grandfather through an entirely different path.

This is crazy.

I'm wondering, if Jesus was from the house of David, tribe of Judah, was it on his father or mothers side, regarding that only his mother would be related by blood, and his father divine? Maybe seems as an odd question, but he was adopted in a way by Josef, as he took him as his own son, surely, the fathers line would be ruled out, unless he and his wife were cousins, nevertheless, a straight father to son line would be ruled out, unless he wasn't the son of God and his "real" father anyhow was from the same tribe?

Thank you Shmuel-Aharon Kam (Kahn / שמואל-אהרן קם (קאן for giving clear information.

Thanks for your input, I also see that we are cousins.
https://www.geni.com/path/Ulf-Martinsson+is+related+to+Dr-Anwar-Ibr...

Private User,
* it is really EASY to prove that the "nobility" lines are fake. The Medieval monks who "researched" them into being, did not have a good grasp of the amount of time that had passed. A direct result of this is that these lines are all 20-40 GENERATIONS too short. To be valid this would require everybody else in the line, about 60 generation, to have had children at a really LATE age. This did not happen! We can often tell WHERE the gap between the real people and the fictional generations begin.

* The Rashi lineages have a NUMBER of KNOWN gaps. No-one really claims that the line is continuous. We have a tradition that RASHI was descent of a certain person, and another tradition that that person was a descendant of King David.

* "Davidic Dynasty". As to displaying her work in a "museum". SHE created the museum. So that in itself doesn't mean anything. I have looked her website. This "organization" is exactly TWO people, neither of them a professional genealogist or historian. Of all of the families she mentions, she says that they have a TRADITION of descent. Only ONE family claims to have a complete documented line, and she does NOT show it. So we don't really know. If you look at her diagram titled "Principal lines descended from King David" ( http://www.davidicdynasty.org/principal-lines-descended-from-king-d... ). then ALL of these lines have known gaps in them. Some of these gaps are explicitly marked as such.

* The promise to King David. There is nothing "noble" about the European "nobility". These people became kings simply by killing off the opposition. That is also how they got rich, by fleecing everybody that they could. So while Queen Elizabeth can donate lots of money to charity, it is worth wondering why she's so rich.

* Can you provide a reference to a reputable scientific study that has results regarding the DNA of the Davidic Line? I am not aware of any such.

* Regarding the "Connecting the Great Rabbinic Families Through Y DNA" project. The person behind this has done testing for a very specific branch, and is talking about a THEORETICAL idea to do this at a much wider scale. It would requires at least a few hundred sample and not the dozen he has done so far.

* As Catherine said, IF you go far back enough in time then ANY person that has surviving descendants will be the ancestor of "ALL" of us. DNA studies have demonstrated that Genghis Khan of the Mongol Empire is the direct ancestor of around 10% of the WORLD. Charlemagne is the ancestor of around 10% of Europe.

You do know King David was no angel. He had his lover's husband put at the front ,so he'd get killed. He came to fame because of war and slayer of the giant. He did a lot of less then noble things and excuse me the European nobility is just that. The Queen really isn't that rich. They all get paid a salary, all the property they live in , is not really owned by them,it's owned by the country just like the crown jewels.

You are correct. I couldn't agree more, God never breaks a promise.

All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised.
—Hebrews 11:13

He didn't say when it would happen.

Oh! The sun'll come out. Tomorrow. So ya gotta hang on. 'Til tomorrow. Come what may. Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya Tomorrow! You're always. A day. A way!

OH my . I sure HOPE it was not I, with my lack of experience in the entire Geni site that has caused all this grief. I agree that those with out knowledge should leave well enough alone . HOWEVER . I do believe that without knowing this at first I may have been an unknowing benefactor to the current errors. OH MY . I sure hope not . but I do agree whole heartily with you when stating that those without the a better understanding of the connections should not be messing with the merging of families . BUT I was not at all aware of the complications that could arise with my lack of knowledge . I hope that at some point that upon entering this Geni site ( newly getting involved ) that they Inform each new user so they are aware of the issues that can arise . If this is already in place I have not yet seen it. And I apologize up front to all if by any chance I am the Culprit . . OH my I really do hope I was not the cause . UGH .

go gracefully as we all have a tendency to trip .

Yours Truly Vaudys Andrea Moraga Calvo Schell .

Hello Vaudys Andrea Moraga Calvo Schell de Gunnels, welcome to Geni!
Don't be too concerned I am sure that your recent joining of the site has nothing to do with false paths back to legendary/mythical kings and heroes, these problems are almost as old as Geni itself.

Geni is a software platform that facilitates people creating family trees and encourages users to connect their family trees together. When a user builds a family tree based on rumour or belief rather than evidence that is the choice of the users and not the responsibility of Geni. It is up to us as users to educate each other on the need for quality based on evidence rather than faith/rumour/belief, Geni does not police what data users add provided it does not breach the T&Cs

THANK YOU SO MUCH Alex Moes , I appreciate your kind words .
Andrea

"False paths back to legendary/mythical kings and heroes."

(((Wow))) I am so out of this discussion, I spend my time with the believers.

May your heart know the truth.

Shalom everyone.. I wish the best to everyone and their personal genealogy.

@Arthur Wilkings Newkirk III

You said,

"At this far back NO ONE should be merging past the 1600's unless it's a knowledgeable curator, much less thousands of years. It takes hours if not days to complete a merge and if it's incorrect would take months to fix."

Speak for yourself... I've spent about five years here on Geni and decades researching elsewhere. With diligent research and documentation everyone should be able to merge and work on the Geni tree. Besides, a Curator has enough work on Geni and preventing people from working past 1600 will only create more duplicate profiles and duplicate trees. Surely, that takes far more time to police and correct. In addition, if Geni felt no Geni Members should work past the 1600's then they would have included this condition in the Geni online agreement during the initial sign up process.

@Thomas Louis Kalani O'Kelly, Good for you. Glad you're so knowledgeable. So you are an outlier. Most people aren't as well researched as you are. I still stand my my statement though. If people don't know for certain about a 1000 year old profile, they shouldn't be adding them and merging them. Especially if the profiles are already on geni. It takes days to fix a bad merge. Better to use caution than mess up thousands of family trees.

But glad that you know everything. You should be proud of yourself. Most people aren't.