Two options for ascent lines

Sharon Doubell C

4/5/2017 at 2:18 AM

There are two different options for ascent lines from Francis Hawley
One here: http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa..., & one here: http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html

a. John b 1555 Sheffield bur 30 Aug 1603 in St Peter & Paul's Church, Sheffield x 1 Nov 1579 in St PPSheffield, Rosa Wood b1 Francis bap 27 Feb 1579/80 bur 5 Jul 1617 b2 Anna bap 13 Dec 1581 St PP Sheffield b3 Thomas bap 13 Dec 1583 bur 25 Oct 1613 x 26 Aug 1610 in St PP Sheffield Joanna Richmond b4 Robert bap 22 Oct 1591 St PP Sheffield b5 Margaret bap 16 Dec 1593 St PP Sheffield x 12 Feb 1614/15 St PP Sheffield John Fletcher (http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa...)
OR
a. Nycolas Ulleye x 5 Nov 1565 Bradfiel b1 John Halley x 8 Nov 1586 in St Nic, Bradfield Kathre Mychell (http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html)

b. Francis Hawley bap 27 Feb 1579/80 St PP Sheffield bur 5 Jul 1617 St PP Sheffield x 11 Feb 1609/10 in St PP Sheffield, m Ann Burley c1 Francis bap 20 Jan 1610/11 c2 John bap 2 Sep 1612 St PP Sheffield x 25 Aug 1641 St PP Sheffield, Elizabeth Bate c3 Hellena bap 30 Nov 1614 St PP Shefield c4 Margareta bap 23 feb 1617/18 in StPP Sheffield c5Thomas bur 28 Aug 1621 St PP Sheffield (http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa...)
OR
b. John Halley x 8 Nov 1586 in St Nic, Bradfield Kathre Mychell c1 Raphe bap 25 Feb 1586 St Nic Bradfield c2 John bur 30 Mar 1593 St Nic Bradfield c3 Francis Halley bap 12 May 1600, St Nic, Bradfield c4 Thomas bap 1 Mar 1602/3 St Nic Bradfield bur 15 Jun 1603 St Nic Bradfield (http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html)

c. Francis Halley bap 20 Jan1610/11 in St PP Sheffield d1 Francis bap 16 Oct 1642 bur 1 Jan 1712 (http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa...)
OR
c. Francis Halley bap 12 May 1600, St Nic, Bradfield x 19 Oct 1634in St Mary, Barnsley Dorothy Ketterwell d1 John bap 19 Jul 1635, St Nic, Bradfield d2 Hrancis bap 16 Oct 1642 St Nic, Bradfield (http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html)

d. Francis Halley bap 16 Oct 1642 in St Mary's Ecclesfield bur 1 Jan 1712 in St Nic Bradgield x 19 Sep 1667 St Nic Bradfield Martha Swalloe bur 13 May 1707 in St Nic Bradfield e1 Anne bap 13 Jul 1668 st Nic Bradfield e2 Adam bap 8 Jun 1670 St Nic Bradfield e3 John bap 22 Feb 1672 St Nic Bradfield e4 Hanna bap 3vFeb 1675/6 St Nic Bradfield e5 Francis bap 9 Apr 1679 bur Aug 1727(http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa...)
OR
d. Francis Halley (Hawley) bap 16 Oct 1642 St Nic Bradfield - bur 1 Jan 1712/13 St Nicholas, Bradfield. x 19 Sep 1667 St Nic, Bradfield Martha Swallow - bur 13 May 1707 in St Nicholas Church Bradfield e1 Anne bap 13 Jul 1668 St Nic Bradfield e2 Adam bap 8 Jun 1670 St Nic Bradfoeld e3 John bap 22 Feb 1675 St Nic Bradfoeld e4 Hanna bap 3 Feb 1675/6 St Nic Bradfield e5 Francis bap 19 Apr 1679 St Nic Bradfield (http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html)

Sharon Doubell C

4/5/2017 at 2:51 AM

What this boils down to is a small difference on Francis Hawley 's baptism place:
Hulley Family History = bap 16 Oct 1642 St Mary's Ecclesfield (http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa...)
OR
The Hulley File = bap 16 Oct 1642 St Nicholas Bradfield (http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html)
Otherwise they agree on everything else, including that he was buried 1 Jan 1712/13 St Nicholas, Bradfield.

BUT they each give him different parents
Hulley Family History =
*Francis Halley bap 20 Jan1610/11 in St Peter & Paul Sheffield
x NN
**1 Francis Halley bap 16 Oct 1642 in St Mary's Ecclesfield
(http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa...)

OR
The Hulley File =
*Francis Halley bap 12 May 1600 St Nic, Bradfield
x 19 Oct 1634 St Mary Barnsley, Dorothy Ketterwell
**1 John bap 19 Jul 1635, St Nic, Bradfield
**2 Francis Halley bap 16 Oct 1642 St Nic Bradfield
(http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html)

Sharon Doubell C

4/5/2017 at 3:09 AM

So far, the only confirmed document we have is for
Dorothey Halley & Frauncis Halley in England Marriages, 1538–1973
*Marriage: Oct 19 1634 Saint Mary, Barnsley, York, England
*Wife: Dorothey Ketterell
*Husband: Frauncis Halley
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M10747-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 98529

This doesn't prove where Frauncis was born, or even that this is the Frauncis baptised in 1642.
We also appear to have no confirmation of Dorothy Ketterwell being the mother of John & Francis born in Bradfield. It would be good to find that, otherwise she should be removed.

There is no reason to believe that the info for the Francis Halley baptised 20 Jan1610/11 in St Peter & Paul Sheffield isn't correct ie there was such a person

A document confirming whether the 16 Oct 1642 baptism place for Francis is St Mary Ecclesfield or St Nicholas Bradfield, is one of the keys we need here.

Sharon Doubell C

4/5/2017 at 3:15 AM

With the information we have at the moment, it seems to me to be more sensible to use the line that stays in Bradfield all the way back to the a generation. (http://barlowd.tripod.com/framehulley.html)

I am therefore ignoring the Hulley Family History ascent line that goes back to St Peter & Paul’s Church in Sheffield (http://www.tiger2.f2s.com/FamilyHistory/familytrees/yorkshire/01/pa...)
Although I am going to create geni profiles for them, in the hope that we can get documentary sources (that discounts them as the SA progenitors) attached to them too.

Sharon Doubell C

4/7/2017 at 2:20 AM

cf Sheffield line- not the SA line:
*a. John Halley b 1555 Sheffield bur 30 Aug 1603 St Peter & Paul's Church, Sheffield x 1 Nov 1579 St PP, Rosa Wood

**b. Francis Halley bap 27 Feb 1579/80 St PP Sheffield - bur 5 Jul 1617 St PP x 11 Feb 1609/10 St PP Ann Burley

***c. Francis Halley bap 20 Jan 1610/11 in St Peter & Paul's, Sheffield

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