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6/6/2017 at 10:14 AM

Is there any evidence that Hanserd Knollys is the father of John Knowles (1632-1705) of Hampton, New Hampshire?

The following is taken from the autobiography of Hanserd Knollys (available at this link: http://www.vor.org/rbdisk/html/the_life_and_death_of_hanserd_knolly...). His wife dies in 1671. He has this to say about his only surviving son after the time of his wife’s death:

"Since the death of my dear Wife, it hath pleased God to stretch forth his Hand upon my only Son then living, and to afflict him with a deep Consumption, occasioned, as I judge, by Grief for his dearly loving and beloved Mother, for he drooped ever since she first was taken ill of that Distemper of Rhume, which fell from her Head into her Face, of which she dyed: And he hath been worse and worse ever since she dyed. And I having had great Expenses and a great Charge of dear Relations, and owing some considerable debts, I was necessitated to teach School again in my old Age."

Elsewhere in the autobiography, Knollys mentions that his sons are teaching with him.

As John Knowles (1632-1705) was apparently alive and well and living in Hampton, New Hampshire at that time that Knollys is describing the very ill health of his only living son who was then in England with him, it does not seem that John Knowles of Hampton can be a son of Hanserd Knollys. In addition, John Knowles signed his will by his mark rather than signature which suggests he was not literate – which would be quite unusual for the son of such an educated person as Hanserd Knollys.

6/6/2017 at 10:24 AM

Do we have a name for this ill son? The best way is to set him up as his own profile.

Roland Henry Baker, III does https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102344445 have a sketch in your book on returnees to England?

6/6/2017 at 3:44 PM

Good work! As far as I can tell Hanserd Knollys had three children. He arrived 1638 and his first child died en route to New England. He says he left New England in 1641 with a child aged three and a pregnant wife (so I presume a third child was born). So he definitely did not leave a child behind in New England. And I've never seen any genealogical publication link this man with John Knowles of Hampton.

Here is the sketch from ABANDONING AMERICA Knollys, Hanserd, baptist minister pages 13, 17n.55, 22,71,168-70,177-8,232,293,349, 355

p 13:

Hanserd Knollys (a minister from Lincolnshire who returned to England within three years, and became a prominent baptist) was more realistic about his fourteen-week voyage over to Boston:

* “By the way my little child died with convulsion fits, our beer and water stank, our biscuit was green, yellow and blue, moulded and rotten, and our cheese also, so that we suffered much hardship ... but God was gracious to us, and led us safe through those great deeps.”

P 17

Between 1640 and 1643: Christopher Blackwood, George Burdett, Samuel Eaton, Richard Gibson, Hanserd Knollys, Thomas Larkham, Robert Lenthall, Hugh Peter (as a colonial agent, with Weld), John Phillip, Robert Peck, Peter Saxton, Thomas Weld. Francis Bright returned to England in 1630. Nathaniel Eaton, the first head of Harvard College, left in disgrace in 1639 for Virginia, but later returned to England. Pilgrims, Appendix 3, notes which of the first generation clergy returned home before 1660, and when.

P 168-170

KNOLLYS, Hanserd (1598-1691)
Hanserd Knollys, the son of Richard Knollys, was born near Louth in
Lincolnshire. He had close connections with Scartho, near Grimsby, where his
father was rector from 1613. Knollys was educated at St Catharine's College,
Cambridge, and ordained deacon and priest in June 1629. After this he
became vicar at Humberston, Lincolnshire. On 22May1632 he married Anne
Cheyney. Knollys, who had encountered puritanism at Cambridge, objected
to requirements such as wearing a surplice and making the sign of the cross at
baptism. He also had scruples about 'mixed communion' at the Lord's table.
A few years into his ministry he became convinced that he must resign his
orders: ordination at the hands of a bishop was not a 'seal from Christ of my
ministry'. John Williams, bishop of Lincoln, tried to retain Knollys (and even offered him a better living) but Knollys refused. John Wheelwright*, at this point a preacher at Belleau, exercised a powerful influence on him. In the early 1630s Knollys and Wheelwright enjoyed relative freedom, with Williams's tacit protection, but everything changed when Williams's power fell away. In 1636 the Court of High Commission arrested Knollys - he was taken to the house of the man who served the warrant, but managed to get away. After much deliberation, Knollys decided to emigrate. He seems to have reached Boston in the summer of 1638. Later, he wrote a vivid account of his Atlantic crossing and early days in New England:
I tarried so long in London waiting for a passage, that when I went aboard I had but 6 brass farthings left, and no silver or Gold, only my Wife had £5 that I knew not of ... By the way my little Child dyed with Convulsion fits, our Beer and Water Stank, our Bisket was green, yellow and blew, moulded and rotten, and our Cheese also, so that we suffered much hardship, being 12 weeks in our passage; but God was gracious to us, and led us safe through those great Deeps, and e're we went ashore, came one and enquired for me, and told me a Friend that was gone from Boston to Rode Island had left me his house to sojourn in ... The Magistrates were told by the Ministers that I was an Antinomian, and desired they would not suffer me to abide in their Patent: But within the time limited by their Law in that Case, two Strangers coming to Boston from Piscattuah, hearing of me by a meer Accident, got me to go with them to that Plantation, and to preach there, where I remained for about four years.

Knollys arrived at a sensitive time, just after the Antinomian Controversy which had seen his old friend John Wheelwright exiled. Knollys did not stay in Massachusetts Bay, but went north to Piscataqua. Knollys's ministry in the settlements at York and Dover had the support ofJohn Underhill, who was under censure from the Boston church for adultery. Initially, Knollys competed in ministry with the maverick George Burdett*. Knollys earned a rebuke from the Massachusetts authorities in 1639 for sending letters to England which, according to John Winthrop, described the civil and ecclesiastical government of the colony as 'worse than the high commission ... and that here was nothing but oppression ... not so much as a face of religion'. Knollys repented and promised to give public satisfaction: he was granted letters of safe passage into Massachusetts for this purpose. A quarrel between Knollys and Thomas Larkham* at Dover (or Northam), c.1641, over 'baptizing children, receiving members, burial of the dead' led to a riot. Thomas Lechford noted that Knollys had gone 'to seek a new place at Long Island'. Winthrop observed that Knollys was discovered to be 'an unclean person', who had 'solicited the chastity of his two maids' in a hypocritical fashion (as he had urged his church to proceed against Underhill for adultery). Winthrop' noted how Underhill, Knollys and other antinomians fell into immorality after 'crying down all evidence from sanctification'.

Knollys and his family left New England in the autumn of 1641. Knollys wrote 'being sent for by my aged Father I returned with my Wife and one Child about three years old, and was great with another child, and came safe to London on the 24th of December 1641'. If the attribution of authorship to Knollys is correct, he published a manifesto against episcopacy, A petition for the prelates, almost as soon as he got back. Knollys became a schoolmaster, then an army chaplain under the earl of Manchester. By 1644 he declared himself a baptist. In 1645, in London, he gathered the Particular Baptist church with which he was connected for the rest of his life. He converted Henry Jessey ( ODNB) to the baptist cause, and attracted the ire of the Presbyterian polemicist Thomas Edwards. In the 1650s Knollys associated with Fifth Monarchists: some of his followers signed the manifesto that accompanied Thomas Venner's* rising in 1657; as a result Knollys spent eighteen weeks in Newgate prison and some years in the Netherlands and Germany. Throughout his career, he took on teaching and clerical work to support himself. In the mid-1660s he published several educational texts. An intriguing development in the late 1640s, which must have helped his finances, was a renewed connection with Scartho. Knollys became rector on 2 December 1647, in succession to his father. Knollys's old scruples about ceremonies and episcopal ordination no longer applied - parliament had set aside the prayer book and abolished bishops - but it is still surprising to find the baptist Knollys holding a parish living up in Lincolnshire, in conjunction with his ministry to a gathered church in London. He must have resigned at the Restoration, but kept the living in the family: his son 'Cheney Knollys' was _rector at Scartho from 30 September 1662 until his death in 1671. Knollys outlived his son by two decades: as the funeral sermon for this 'venerable old man' observed, 'The minister, like the candle, wastes while he shines. But at his death he rests from his labours.'

Publications [Hanserd Knollys] A petition for the prelates (1641), ESTC R179508; Christ exalted (1645); A declaration concerning the publike dispute which should have been in the publike meeting-house ... concerning infants-baptisme (1645); A moderate answer vnto Dr Bastvvicks book; called Independency not Gods ordinance (1645); shining of a flaming-fire in Zion (1646); The rudiments of the Hebrew grammar in English (1648); An exposition of the first chapter of the Song of Solomon (1656); Rhetoricce adumbratio (1663); Radices Hebraicce (1664); Radices simplicium (1664); Grammaticce Graecce compendium (1664); Grammaticce Latince compendium (1664); Linguce Hebraicce delineatio (1664); Grammaticce Latince, Grcecce, & Hebraicce (1665); Apocalyptical mysteries (1667); The parable of the kingdom of heaven expounded (1674); The baptists answer (1675); An exposition of the eleventh chapter of Revelation (1679); Mystical Babylon unvailed (1679); The vvorld that now is; and the vvorld that is to come (1681); The gospel minister's maintenance vindicated (1689); An answer to a brief discourse concerning singing in the publick worship of God (1691); [Hanserd Knollys, William Kiffin], The life and death of . .. Mr Hanserd Knollys (1692). CCEd Person ID 71006 [Richardus Knowles]; Helena Hajzyk, 'The Church in Lincolnshire, c.1595-c.1640' (PhD dissertation, University of Cambridge, 1980), 306, 460, 466; Life and death of ... Mr Hanserd Knollys, 17-18; Pilgrims, 59-60; Lechford PD, 44, 53, 54; Suffolk Deeds I, 3; WJ, 285, 300, 318, 348-50; Anne Laurence, Parliamentary army chaplains, 1642-1651 (Woodbridge, Suffolk: Royal Historical Society, 1990), 142-3; Ann Hughes, Gangraena and the struggle for the English Revolution (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2004), 163, 174-5, 178-9 and passim; B.S. Capp, The Fifth Monarchy men (London: Faber, 1972), 182 and passim; CCEd Person ID 63576 [Hanserd Knollys] and Person ID 98576 [Cheyney Knowles]; Thomas Harrison, A sermon on the decease of Mr Hanserd Knollis, 29, 39. For detail on Knollys's career as a baptist: B.R. White, Hanserd Knollys and radical dissent in the 17th century (London: Friends of Dr Williams' s Library, 31st Lecture, 1977); Stephen Wright, The early English baptists, 1603-1649 (Woodbridge: The Boydell Press, 2006).BDBR,ODNB.

6/6/2017 at 3:48 PM

The Great Migration Directory p 199 has some good sources for Hanserd Knollys who arrived from London in 1638 - Boston, Dover; returned permanently to England in 1641

Winthrop's Journal 1:351;
Winthrop's Papers 4:140, 176;
Cotton 306;
New Hamp PP 10:701, 40:3;
Mass Bay Col Recs 1:278~
NEHGR 19:131-33, 70:184;
Abandoning 168-70;
O Dictionary of Nat; Bio

6/6/2017 at 3:49 PM

The Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire also states no connection between John Knowles and Hanserd:

GDMNH has:
KNOWLES, there are many knolls in many counties.
1 REV. HANSERD (Knollys), b. in Cawkwell, co. Lincoln, in 1598, grad. from Cambridge Univ. and held living of Humberstone, co. Lincoln, bef. emigrating to N. E. in 1638. Of Baptist beliefs and an immediate adherent of Anne Hutchinson, he was denied residence in Boston (‘a weak minister’, said Winthrop) and proceeded to Dover and preached for ‘some few loose men’ (same authority). At first opposed by Rev. George Burdett, he organized a ch. when that worthy departed for Agamenticus, and wrote to England criticising the government in Boston. Signed the Piscataqua Combination in 1640, but left Dover that yr. and. ret. to England, where he had an unhappy career as a Baptist pastor in London, suffering imprisonment many times bef. his death in 1691. List 351b.
2 JOHN, mariner, Hampton, m. 10 July 1660 Jemima Austin (1) who was legatee in wills of mo. and step-fa. Leavitt in 1692 and 1699. In 1664 he had land adj. Thos. Webster, acq. from Wm. Cole, and in 1666 he bot from Giles Fifield a house and 10 a. and 6 a. of marsh which had been for some yrs. in his poss. Gr. j. 1681. Lists 52, 54, 393b, 396, 49. Blind for his last 10 yrs., he d. 5 Dec. 1705. His will, 16 Mar. 1693”-4— 31 Dec. 1705, was witn. by 4 Dows. Ch: John, b. 6 Feb. 1661. Ezekiel, b. 19 Aug. 1663, d. 11 Dec. 1666. James, b. 20 Nov. 1665, d. 1 Feb. 1682. Simon, b. 22 Nov. 1667. Joseph, b. 11 June 1672, not ment. in fa.’s will. Sarah, b. 17 Apr. 1676, m. Robert Drake (7). Hannah, b. 18 Apr. 1678, m. William Locke (2).
3 JOHN (2), Hampton, had the homestead. List 399a. Will, 5 Dec. 1733—4 Jan. 1733-4, ment. w. Susanna, who d. 17 Oct. 1745, ag. 82. Ch: John, b. 14 May 1686, m. 31 Dec. 1713 Tryphena Locke (5). They liv. in Rye, but owned cov. and were bp. in Greenland in 1719. At least 5 ch. Ezekiel, b. 29 June 1687, m. 31 Jan. 1712 Mary Wedgwood (David). Betw. ch. and town rec. of Rye, 5 ch rec. Amos, m. 16 Dec. 1724 Abigail (Brown 11) Dowst, had the homestead and d. 24 Feb. 1746. 7 ch. of whom 6 surv. in 1746. Reuben (prob.), b. ab. 1691. Abigail, b. Dec. 3, 1695, m. Ephraim Marston.
4 SIMON (2), Hampton, m. 1st Rachel, who d. 11 Nov. 1696, and 2d 2 Aug. 1700 Rachel Joy. List 399a. Ch: Simon, b. 18 Mar. 1696; m. 26 May 1726 in Greenland Deliverance Goss; d. 22 Apr. 1753. Rachel, b. 10 June 1701; m. Samuel Hobbs. Joseph, b. 22 Jan. 1705, m. 1st Catherine Taylor (Richard) and prob. 2d 12 Jan. 1778 Lydia Randall. Ruth, b. 30 Sept. 1707. Jonathan, Little River, b. 22 Aug. 1710, m. 18 Sept. 1735 in Greenland Hannah Berry, but Dow names his w. Sarah. 7 ch. rec., the 1st in 1738. Abigail, b. 25 Aug. 1718, d. unm. 5 Aug. 1745. And in all prob. an eldest dau. Keziah, who would have been named for her fa.’s aunt Keziah (Austin) Tucker, m. 17 Sept. 1714 in Greenland Ebenezer Berry.
5 STEPHEN, Portsm., fisherman, of Lahant (Lezant?), co. Cornwall, m. 25 Feb. 1716-7 Joanna (Dore 2) Cane-Bourne. Taxed in Portsm. 1722, had grant on Hog Isl. in 1725, and liv. at the Shoals 1727. Only ch. rec: Samuel (Noles), bp. 27 Mar. 1719-20.
6 WILLIAM (Knowler, Nolar and Knolen), Portsm., m. 13 Sept. 1713 in No. Ch. Sarah Clark (John 20), who m. 2d 3 May 1723 Joseph Martin. Ch: Sarah, bp. 22 May 1715. Richard, bp. 15 Aug. 1717. Sarah, bp. 18 Oct. 1719. Mary, adm. of the est. of her mo., Sarah Martin, widow, in 1745.

6/6/2017 at 3:54 PM

NEHGR 19:131-33 is here:

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-...

"his wife died Apr 13, 1671 and afterwards his only son."

I guess that pretty much disproves that John was his son.

Winthrop really didn't like this guy: "a weak minister" "an unclean person" etc.

6/6/2017 at 4:01 PM

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/15/101015756/

I would need to go the library to access it. Almost all libraries subscribe.

6/6/2017 at 4:07 PM

You can access the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography here startng at page 278 last paragraph:

https://archive.org/stream/dictionarynatio47stepgoog#page/n293/mode...

He had at least three sons and a daughter the last son being Isaac. It says that right near the end just before sources.

6/6/2017 at 4:17 PM

New Hamp PP 10:701 just shows he was on the list to take the oath in 1640"

https://archive.org/stream/provincialstatepv10newh#page/701/mode/1up

New Hamp PP 40:3; shows that he filed suit against Edward Starbuck for Slander:

https://archive.org/stream/newhampshireprov40none#page/n11/mode/1up

6/6/2017 at 4:20 PM

Cotton mentions him a few times but nothing about names of children:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Uaahkbo2j2AC&q=HANSERD+Knolly...

It is possible that one of the sources listed in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography above would contain the English records for his other children.

6/6/2017 at 8:12 PM

Thank you!

Tagging Hanserd Knollys so all this info travels with his profile,also his son Isaac Knollys who was mentioned by name.

Disconnecting John Knowles, Sr. & setting up "unknown parents."

6/6/2017 at 8:16 PM

You will notice https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102342242 struck again with unerring accuracy (sarcasm)

6/6/2017 at 8:29 PM

unknown Knowles created & relationship locked

6/6/2017 at 8:37 PM

Tagging Hanserd's wife Anne Knollys

6/6/2017 at 10:18 PM

Looks like they had lots of children, actually

From https://reformedbaptista.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/the-women-behind-...

This is what is written on her gravestone:

Here lyeth the body of Mrs. Anne Knollys,

daughter of John Cheney, esq., and wife

of Hanserd Knollys (Minister of the Gospel),

by whom he had issue of 7 sons and 3 daughters;

who died April 30, 1671, and in the 63rd

year of her age.

My only wife, that in her life

Lived forty years with me,

Lyes now in rest, for ever blest

with immortality.

My dear is gone – left me alone

For Christ to do and dye,

Who dyed for me, and dyed to be

My Saviour-God Most High.

*Bustin, Dennis. Paradox and Perseverance, Paternoster Press, 2006. p.303.

6/6/2017 at 11:32 PM

Hanserd died as a man of property.

http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/knollys.hanserd.html

In 1671 he wrote: "To my eldest son I had given sixty pounds per annum during life, which he enjoyed about twenty-one years ere he died. To my next son that lived to be married I gave the full value of two hundred and fifty pounds in money, house, school, and household goods, and left him fifty scholars in the school-house. To my only daughter then living I gave upon her marriage, above three hundred pounds in money, annuity, plate, linen, and household stuffs, and left her husband fifty scholars in the said school-house, in partnership with my said son. To my youngest son that lived to be married I gave more than three hundred pounds sterling; besides, it cost me sixty pounds in his apprenticeship, and forty pounds afterwards. Thus my Heavenly Father made up my former losses with His future blessings, even in outward substance, besides a good increase of grace and experience, in the space of the forty years that I and my dear faithful wife lived together. We removed several times, with our whole family; whereof, once from Lincolnshire to London, and from London to New England; once from England into Wales, twice from London into Lincolnshire; once from London to Holland, and from thence into Germany, and thence to Rotterdam, and thence to London again. ..."

so it sounds like two surviving sons: one who took over as schoolmaster in London along with his daughter's husband; the other apprenticed to a trade.

6/6/2017 at 11:38 PM

You know who else was "educated at St Catharine's College,
Cambridge, and ordained deacon and priest in June 1629 ..." said to have been the first Baptist in America, and returned to England?

R Riegel perhaps of interest on your Reverend Richard Denton

6/7/2017 at 8:06 AM

Erica Howton, thanks. St Catherine's must have been an exciting place for a young student with no end to"radical" theological debates.

6/7/2017 at 1:26 PM

Unfortunately I can't get into Appendix 4 of this book, which lists what is known of his children, but this snippet view

https://books.google.com/books?id=-bZLAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA183&ot...

Gives me sons Cheney Knollys, Hanserd ll, Samuel. We already know about Isaac. I believe there may have been two John's, neither surviving. The 3 daughters are nameless sadly.

And Hanserd's birthdate was actually 1609, which is interesting giving his ordination in 1629. Supposedly there's an age 23 minimum rule for ordination (currently) which I am now questioning as actually a rule in 1629.

The book is

Paradox and Perseverance: Hanserd Knollys, Particular Baptist Pioneer in ...
By Dennis C. Bustin

6/7/2017 at 3:05 PM

With respect to the application of the Canonical rules re ordination, you should see the following sources.

The CCEd database (noted below) lists exemptions for qualifications, such as the Bishop finding the ordinand sufficiently "literate" to allow ordination despite not yet having a degree.

"Sources of Personal History,” “Ordinations” in the Preface to Alumni Cantabrigienses, Vol 1, (1922), p. xii
https://archive.org/details/alumnicantabrigipt1vol1univiala

Canon C-3-6 of the Church of England
https://www.churchofengland.org/about-us/structure/churchlawlegis/c...

CCEd Clergy of the Church of England Database
http://theclergydatabase.org.uk/

6/9/2017 at 10:33 AM

Church of England Ordination Requirements

A Parliamentary statute enacted in 1571 (13 Eliz. I, c. 12) stated that:

"...no man could be ordained before reaching the age of 24 or admitted to a benefice unless he were a deacon and at least 23 years old; prohibited men from being admitted to ecclesiastical benefices unless they held the BD degree or were specially admitted as a preacher by the diocesan bishop..."

That quote is from "The Oxford History of the Laws of England, Vol. 1, The Canon Law and Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction from 597 to the 1640s," R. H. Helmholz (2004), p. 274. This statute remained in effect into the 1630's.

I interpret this to mean you could be ordained a deacon before turning 23. And you could be ordained as a curate or priest at the age of 23 if you had already been ordained a deacon. (Curates and priests received benefices.) Otherwise, you needed to be 24 to be ordained a curate or priest.

An article on FamilySearch titled "Clergy of the Church of England," says:

"The person who originally founded, built or endowed the church had the right as its patron to make presentation to the bishop of a suitable person to be its incumbent. This right [is] called the advowson..."

"The person presented, who might well be a relative of the patron, had usually already been ordained by his local bishop as a deacon or priest in order to celebrate mass and hear confession. He was supposed to be over 21 and of legitimate birth. It is said that the usual age at ordination was 23 years and six months."

From https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Clergy_of_Church_of_England_(in_En...

I interpret both of the above quotes taken together to mean that you needed to be at least 21 to become a deacon but the usual age was 23 years and six months. Then, if you had already been ordained a deacon, you could become a curate or priest at the age of 23. Otherwise, you needed to be 24 to become a curate or priest.

The FamilySearch article ("Clergy of the Church of England") gives some good background about the clergy, their history in the 17th century, how they were financed (often by a local patron) and how curates were essentially assistant priests.

Below is a more extensive and informative quote from "The Oxford History of the Laws of England, Vol. 1," "Content of the Statutes," p. 273

"Within this framework. the legislators of the Elizabethan and early Stuart Parliaments found considerable room for manoeuvre. Elisabeth and the first two Stuart kings would not permit Parliament tn intrude too far into the affairs of the church. but just where the line was to he drawn no one could say for sure. And the Henrician precedents encouraged efforts to bring the law into accord with the needs of the time and the customs at the English people. at least as these needs and customs were perceived by members at Parliament..."

p. 274
"… Second. some of the parliamentary statutes amended or clarified parts of the traditional canon law. Failure of the proposed Reformatio legum ecclesiasticarum meant that there would be no substitution of a new set of laws, but it did not mean there would be no alterations at all. Henrician and Edwardian statutes had made changes. quite apart from extinguishing papal powers. There was good reason to expect that there would be more. And there were other changes to come, although none of those that went through Parliament and received the royal assent could be called revolutionary from the perspective of legal practice. A statute on the qualifications requisite in the ordination of clergy enacted in 1571 (13 Eliz. I, c. 12) provides a representative example. It had four major goals. The act required assent by the clergy to the Thirty-Nine Articles enacted by Convocation; stated that no man could be ordained before reaching the age of 24 or admitted to a benefice unless he were a deacon and at least 23 years old; prohibited men from being admitted to ecclesiastical benefices unless they held the BD degree or were specially admitted as a preacher by the diocesan bishop; and provided that title to present to any benefice should not be lost to the patron by deprivation of an incumbent until six months had passed after notice of the vacancy had been given to the patron."

"How did the provisions square with the existing canon law? In some respects, they re-enacted it. The provision about the age required for ordination and conferral of a benefice with cure of souls was the same as the rule given in the applicable papal decretal (X 1.6.7). A second decretal had stated that the attainment of the age of 14 was enough (X 1.14.3), but the communis opinio among the medieval jurists had treated the latter decretal as a special concession for a special situation, holding that the former properly stated the common law of the church. The English statute in effect adopted this communis opinio, attempting to end any surviving argument and, at least by implication, foreclosing the possibility of dispensation in favour of infants."

The Oxford History of the Laws of England, Vol. 1, The Canon Law and Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction from 597 to the 1640s, R. H. Helmholz (2004)

https://books.google.com/books?id=enU0FHy5OeAC&pg=PA274&lpg...

6/9/2017 at 12:09 PM

Hanserd's family was perhaps prominent & his grandmother had wealth. The argument for his birthdate of 1609 is here

https://books.google.com/books?id=-bZLAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA183&dq...

6/9/2017 at 12:13 PM

Looks like he was ordained two years after matriculation at St Catherine's

https://books.google.com/books?id=-bZLAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA183&dq...

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6/10/2017 at 6:02 PM

And all of this seems to clearly establish that John Knowles (1632-1705) the illiterate mariner of Hampton, New Hampshire could not possibly be the child of Hanserd Knollys.

6/10/2017 at 10:47 PM

In my opinion - not a chance.

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