Nicketti Hughes - Nicketti

I agree with u do what u think is right

Diana, several of us curators "are" connected to the trees for Powhatan, and have substantial Virginia ancestry in our trees, and we talked with each other; plus we had a long and open discussion about this that was (for me) painful and time consuming. And no

We treat this no differently than any other historic figure in the Geni World Family Tree. If we can't prove it, we link within a placeholder profile to the possible ancestors. If is disrespectful, in my opinion, to do otherwise; and it is disrespectful to give anyone preferential treatment.

The approach of Geni is exactly the opposite from what you're saying: the burden of proof is to make the connection. Not the other way around.

It has to be that way in history, and the 17th century "is" history, not family tradition.

I do not know how much proof it takes to make a connection. These sources are from books.....not facebook....not pinterest....not from someone's personal tree from any of the genealogy sites on the internet.....not from two 90 year old guys having a conversation while sitting in rockers on the porch of a gas station secluded in the mountains. One source is from Don Greene, Shawnee Herritage II. His book part III is used in the "about me" section as a reference. If part III is good enough to prove a point, so is part II. This IS the "burden of proof"....along with the other sources.

Thank you Private User and if you can point to the Pine Shooter profiles that would be very helpful.

I will make my "personal" point of view clear.

Of course I believe Nicketti existed! I don't know why there's an impression otherwise? We mark made up people as "fictitious" and disconnect them from the World Family Tree as we find them. No one did that here. No one intends to do that here.

And yes, we follow Cabell and His Kin, I think, as much as we can.

What we "do not know" is the following -

- who her parents were
- who her children were

I'm not sure how we can "ever" know. Maybe Jason's research efforts will accumulate more data , one way or another.

I trust he will be a relentless investigator and willing to discard received notions, just follow the evidence. :)

Guess I should jump in this can of worms, but all of you know where I stand on oral tradition and the documenting thereof. I feel that if that is all you have and it has been passed along for several hundred years, virtually unaltered, how can you not believe it? But I'm not an educated genealogist by any means, I'm just a "good ole' boy that loves history.

I understand that Erica has a set of rules she must abide to as a curator, regardless of how she feels personally. So it is up to us to provide as much information as we can, no matter how small to attempt to reinstall her into Jason Floyd's tree.

Unfortunately Nicketti's profile floated to the top of the NA profile pile and some people decided to make a big issue out of it. I can probably list a hundred profiles just like hers in about ten minutes, no proof either way. Diana and a few others like Billie Kiefaber have become "document warriors" (which I lack) and I am proud of the work they do to prove out what others just throw on the tree.

I think alot of them should be deleted and disconted like pineshooter,

I have never looked for Pine Shooter. I heard Jason refer to him. Did he have a profile on Geni before?

Seems we have reached a point of "All Quiet on the Western Front". I am directing my next comment to Mr. Justin Swanstrom, who seems to have chosen to refrain from making any comments during this discussion. You are the one that disconnected Nicketti from her parents. I will ask again.... "What does it take to make a connection"? What is the 'magic number of sources' does it take to make a change? These are good sources, and I construe them to be good paper trail since they come from books. Any comment about the Shawnee Heritage book? I know that a lot of people are not in favor of his findings. However, I have found his work to be quite useful. I have made many connections from his works. Is he going to be 100% accurate in everything that he writes....probably not. NONE OF US are perfect. But his words and other supportive books should be taken into consideration. Have you used his books to make profiles and connections? Have any other curators? If so, why should this profile be any different? Why are you so adamant on keeping it the way that it is? Will you please answer these questions that I have put before you?

https://www.fold3.com/document/221975852/

https://www.fold3.com/document/221975845/

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bishop_bischoffresearch/convers...

https://www.myheritage.com/search-records?action=person&siteld=...

www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/england/3544

Diana Collins Justin is on a break, so may or may not choose to respond.

But we need to be clear, he did not do the disconnect on his own; it was in consultation with several of us and after a long and detailed discussion of the evidence we could find. He did write the excellent summary in her profile based on the research of that discussion, which wasn’t just his own findings.

I wish I had been the one to do the disconnect in order to spare him any need to revisit at this time.

http://jungle-hut.blogspot.com/2008/06/my-cherokee-heritage.html

Erica, I am sorry. I did not realize that Justin was taking a break. He asked me a long time ago to collaborate with him, and I accepted. So I am able to see when he is on line....which he has been most days since the discussion started, so I assumed he was following along with us.

NY CA TIE CHEROKEE FLOYD clearly has a good record, a profile should be made for her, and her place found in the England & Floyd trees.

He may very well be, but he is on break.

I urge you to study the summary of findings in the Nicketti profile and read the links cited.

We did the best we could figure out based on them — it was a long time ago & of course there’s not a lot to go on. But I know I spent weeks on it ...

I created a profile for Nycatie Cherokee Floyd.

Nichatie Cherokee England

Thanks Lloyd!

Lloyd, you rock. Thank you.

https://www.geni.com/path/Erica-Howton+is+related+to+Nycatie-Englan...

14th cousin x 2

Going through Whitt > Skaggs > Woolard, Augusta County.

That makes sense.

I have the same path. Also shows 14th cousin x 2

So, building Nycatie and William England tree based "loosely" on the comments from the http://jungle-hut.blogspot.com/2008/06/my-cherokee-heritage.html website.

Came upon one I am ready to add in and have Find A Grave link with picture of Ralph Bogle Lester, and he looks VERY much to be of Melungeon origin. I do not want to appear racist in any manner but his features appear very African, NA and Euro in origin. This is an excellent find for this family if it works out. And this line is ties into Jason's Belchers I believe, As Ralph's mother is Anna Belcher, still working.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15495089

Whew, This family is tying into the Sizemore's heavily, also see Goins which are both Melungeon families. Anytime you see a Sizemore surname, might as well settle in because you're gonna be at it for a bit. A very prolific family.....

Read through all the posts that are on this web link that is from Nycatie's family, this is where the name I put in originated from. And once you cross reference to Internet sources, they are legit and tie in perfectly.
http://jungle-hut.blogspot.com/2008/06/my-cherokee-heritage.html

By the way, Nycatie is my fifth cousin, 5 times removed, fairly close through my mom's Wolfe to Patton to Huff to Triplett to Rachel Skaggs family. This lineage is all out of Eastern KY from me.

So, follow up the Lester tree and you will find this young lady, also a derivation of Niketti, again in the same tree Jason, that web page has a poster that believes this is where Nycatie got her name. Hannah Rebecca "Nikitie" Arthur

Here is what the poster on the web page says,

Nycetye (Lester) England made her application to the Guion Miller rolls, using this spelling. I have been researching Lesters and related families for years. She was, no-doubt, named after Nikitie "Hannah" who married Gabriel Arthur. I descend through their daughter Martha, daughter Martha who married John Drake. They lived in Russell/Tazewell CO, VA. I believe Nycetye may have been part of the migration that went to Mossyrock, WA in 1894 along with several other families from W.VA...correct me if I am wrong. I have just found a Nikitie Mullins, b. 1877, Tazewell, parents William "Red Bill" Mullins and Eliza Hall (Hill) Anyone know about them?

And here is another Nikitie, (Mullins) that one of the posters on that page was talking about.
Nikitie Mullins

Hah!

ikitie" Rebecca (Cherokee) Arthur is your third great aunt's third great aunt.

Arkansas. My Ross great aunts (out of Hopkins KY) married Roark, who descend from Abigail Eastridge, supposedly a daughter of Dragging Canoe. I don’t know if her parentage is true but her tombstone identities her as native.

A lot of different spellings of the same base name. Nycatie, Niketti, Nicketti, Nichatie and the list goes on. I think you're right, a lot of similarities, common thing is all are saying they are of NA heritage. That name originated somewhere....