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Re: https://www.geni.com/people/Baroness-Elizabeth-le-Strange/6000000021013876170

Started by John Cowles on Friday, January 26, 2018
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John Cowles PRO
1/26/2018 at 1:00 PM

Re: Elizabeth le Despencer

I can find no source for this lady's parents. GENI gives her parents as Roger le Strange, 5th Lord Strange and Aline le Strange but WikiTree does not show Elizabeth to be one of their daughters. Is this an error? Elizabeth does have a WikiTree entry (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-135653) but her parentage is listed as unknown. If the parentage is, in fact, unknown, the parents should be disconnected on GENI as this gives a false lineage to early Plantagenet royalty.

Private User
1/26/2018 at 1:52 PM

Would this have anything to do with the notorious Spencer/Despenser fakeup? (A Tudor-era fake pedigree "connecting" the New Money Spencers with the Old Aristocracy Despenser family.)
Anne Brannen C
1/26/2018 at 2:05 PM

Medlands doesn't take us as far as the children of Roger le Strange and Aline fitzAlan, so that's of no use.

But the sourced lists of children for the two do not include her, as far as I can see.
Erica Howton C
1/26/2018 at 2:16 PM

Magna Carta Sureties has no parents for her

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000021023887516&

Spencer name comes from FindAGrave

Disconnected from parents & locked relationships.

John Cowles you’re on a roll! Keep it up!
Erica Howton C
1/26/2018 at 2:20 PM

CITATIONClose[1] George Edward Cokayne (1916), New Complete Peerage, 4, London: The St Catherine Press, pp. 288–90

From the Wikipedia article on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_le_Despencer,_1st_Baron_le_D...

Has her name as Elizabeth, and that’s all.
Erica Howton C
1/26/2018 at 2:22 PM

There was a discussion at soc.gen.medieval but rootsweb mail list is still down, maybe can be found at the google group for them

John Cowles PRO
1/26/2018 at 4:59 PM

Thanks again for fixing this, Erica!

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