Michael Waldrop, II - WALDROP LINEAGE RESEARCHERS: ***(PLEASE READ THIS)

Hello Patrick,

I am interested in this discussion as I am a descendant of Michael Waldrop. I do not know much of the research. Only what I found from Geni and find a grave. Thank you for sharing this.

This is my connection as he is my 8th great grandfather according to the path in Geni.

https://www.geni.com/path/Jamey-Balester+is+related+to+Michael-Wald...

Hi Jamey Balester, Thanks for responding and absolutely! Please join in.

The Links I shared are all from HOWARD WALDROP. If you read all that i've posted, Howard considers himself as the oldest last guard.... That group spent a tremendous amount of time and effort getting everything verified they could.

However, they do not have the tools that these sites today are coming out with and I really like the Connection Path tool on Geni. Problem I am having is that with so many errors, anything you get won't be correct and I am hoping that we get a lot more people involved in this.

Here is the Link again to the WALDROP main site for that Project:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=hwrdwl

Also, FTDNA has a WALDROP PROJECT GROUP for the Y-DNA testing (men) by the same group.

I hope you follow this discussion and review the material. Maybe we can get this straight.

Patrick

Of course we can get it straight and keep it straight, that's what we have curators for!

Post a profile that's ready to be made into a Master Profile (detailed, sourced, documented, merged dups, etc) and ask for the family grouping to be made MP. On this discussion or more randomly on the discussion

https://www.geni.com/discussions/166171

If you a profile disconnected from another and can't do it yourself, post the links (the Geni URLs) here, or more randomly to

https://www.geni.com/discussions/172007

Be explicit.

For example, disconnect Y as son of X, not his kid, ref in profile "about."

Jamey knows the drill on this, you know the genealogy, and Rootsweb could get "fixed" again any time ....

About Master Profiles here

https://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Master_Profile

The WorldConnect part of Rootsweb is back up now, currently read-only (which means no updates until they finish getting the bugs out - might take years the rate they've been going).

Thank you for your imput @Erica Howton. Yes, I do know the drill. I will try to help on my Waldrop end if possible.

@Maven B. Helms, I have noticed that that site has been down for quite a while. I was wondering what was going on.

Here are TWO NEW Emails from Howard and Carol Ann WALDROP of the Waldrop Project..... The first one is Carol Ann, 2nd is from Howard.

***NOTE: When Carol Ann mentions PDF 1 Page 1, or PDF 2, PDF 3, etc. she is referring to the PDF PROFILES I SENT HER on each of the WALDROP MEN after KATHERINE WALDROP, daughter of EDMUND WALDROP. I actually did not rename the file from the name the system gave it so pick the dates out and individual it is corresponding to:
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from Carol Ann WALDROP:

OK, my Hotmail got tired of waiting before I saw PDF 5 and 6. But, I think I can safely say 'ditto' PDF 4 to answer them.

Here's my take on 1, 2, 3 and 5. I just don't agree with a lot of 4.

PDF 1 Page 1 - Luke that married Christian was on 1748 Granville Co., NC Tax List. Luke, Jr. first on Granville Co., NC Tax List in 1766, so born 1750 in Granville Co., NC. Not Amelia Co., VA.

His Will names children Sarah, Mary, Asa and wife, Mary. Ignores 5 of children here. Why? His brothers didn't. They named all their children, dead, alive and married.

Page 2 - Page 1 says he went to Rutherford 1780, page 2 says he was in Laurens 1790.

PDF 2 Page 1 - Amelia Co., VA was established in 1735. Deed in Laurens says Jechonias Waldrop sold land 'willed to him by his father Luke'. Same deed says 'Luke bought land in 1772' My money says he died and was buried in Laurens (which was then Cravens or 96 Dist).

I believe he could be son of Michael, but not Michael and Sarah. The Michael and Sarah I know were in Orange Co., NC. Michael and son, Michael got Land Grants on S'burg side of Enoree in 1766-1772? era. We call Luke brother of this Michael, Joseph and James, but have no proof.

Page 2 - We have Luke in Hanover, but not William and Mary Co., VA. He was on every Tax List 1748-1770 except 1756. (That 1749 & 1755 comes from Bret Holcombe's book. The actual Tax Lists are extant at the NC Archives)
Died in Amelia? I don't think so.

I believe he had children when he came to Granville Co., NC in 1748. There is room for more children if you look at each tax list and when sons appeared at age 16, then, consider a child born every two years, there is room for some girls.

PDF 3 - Here is as far as I have stretched my imagination...Michael was in York Co., VA in 1672 with John Keene and Thomas Bell. Ten years later, Claiborne cashed in grants for transporting Michael Waldrop and Thomas Bell. I call this the same Michael. Seventeen years later, Michael got a grant of 90 acres in King William Co., VA. The Crown balked because the land he and others received had been set aside for the Pamunkey Indians. Five years later, in 1704, Michael bought 100 acres from Francis Arnold in King William Co., VA. He was buying back land he had sold to Arnold. That could be he had tried to sell the 90 acres to Arnold and called it 100, then, learned that he really didn't own it. Or, I could be missing a land purchase. I don't know. It's just a sighting (footprint) in 1704 King William Co., VA to me. Eight years later, in 1712, Michael received a 100 acre grant for transporting Hancock and Pompett (50 acres for each). The next year, 1713, the Crown settled the Pamunkey Indian land dispute and gave Michael the 90 acres.

Now, we want to make this Michael the father of Michael and Luke and James and Joseph, but he's getting old, so we give him a son, Michael to father these kids. James grows up and goes to Caroline Co., VA and dies there in 1747. Michael goes to Orange Co., NC for a while, then, he and his son Michael get land grants in S'burg, SC in 1768 and 1771. Then, he dies. Luke goes to Hanover Co., VA, Granville Co., NC and on to Laurens Co., SC and died in the late 1770s. Joseph goes to Amelia Co., VA and lives happily ever after, dying in 1775.

That's all the imagination I have. I can't deal with Sir William...hahahaha. Won't even try until I can nail down some of my imaginings between 1672 and 1800.

PDF 5 - This reads like the writings of James Marion Waldrop. He made his living as a radio announcer, can you tell?
Carol Ann
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From HOWARD WALDROP:
Hi,

Links to notes and families at the bottom.

Family group sheets do not like blank boxes; and some people have a problem with: "I do not know".

So, they guess.

Then, that guess becomes a "fact".

It gets into the system. Not only does the guess become a "fact", the identity of the person who made the guess falls away; so when yu ask, "Where does that come from?", the answer amounts to "I do not know".

All that happens in genealogy.

It happened in your line of Waldrop.

Those names of children for Luke jr come from a FGS of about 1955. We have a copy of it.

Below is what amounts to proof that Edmond is a son of Luke:

According to Census records, Luke Jr. had at least 7 children, who are beleived to have been Sarah Ann, Mahala Christian, Edmund, James Searcy, Mary, Asa, and Luke M. Waldrop. In the 1800 census for Rutherford Co., NC., Luke Jr.'s household had a male and female 25-46, 3 males 10-16, 1 male 16-26, and 2 females 10-16. Only three children were named in the will of Luke Waldrop II. These were Asa and two daughers. We know there were other children; therefore, the omission of Luke's other children's names must have been deliberate. It is possible that Luke Jr. was following an early custom whereby a father who could afford to do so, and Luke SR. and his sons could afford it, gave his daughters their shares of inheritance when they married, and gave his sons their shares to buy land sometime after they reached the age of majority. Joseph, brother of Luke Jr. did this, and so did their father, Luke SR., thereby setting a precedent. In most cases the names of those children who already had received their shares were omitted from the father's Will, but in some cases, the father made it clear by stating that those whose names were omitted had already received their portions. I have no proof, but I believe this is why James Searcy Waldrop's name, as well as the other 3 children, do not appear in the Will of Luke JR., his father. At this time, I believe that James Searcy Waldrop was the son of Luke Waldrop Jr. --- jd

Pretty thin stuff.

It is, of course, much easier to accept the conventional wisdom; and Edmond is a son of Luke jr.

That means that you discount the will ( see explantion above); find "Luke M", find Mahala; find Asa and Sarah.

Asa is a blind veteran and Sarah was living with him. Asa ended up in the poor house. Where was Edmond, eh?

Who is "luke M"? We did not find him.

Mahala was, more likely than not, a widow of a Waldrop.

We think that she married John, son of jechonias. John died; she was his widow.

A daughter, Mahala had two husbands: Anson Nelson and Jackson Pack.

All this is in the data base.

If Edmond is not a son of Luke jr, whose son is he?

Unknown.

'Tis a puzzlement.

Howard

https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hwrd...

https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hwrd...

https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hwrd...

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There are "SO MANY" discrepancies here I don't even know where to begin..... I'm truly disappointed. I had such high hopes for GENI's way of doing things but this really isn't any different than the button pushers on Ancestry.

@Erica Howton: I know it would be much easier for you that I point out each and every error or disagreed data I see, but since I am relatively new to the WALDROP Line beyond that of Edmund Waldrop and Katherine Waldrop and how she ties in with me, I'm afraid I am no help other than delivering information from people I know who have done a tremendous amount of accurate work on the WALDROPS.

What has begun to really irritate me is what I now call Button Pushers... Those that find someone that "seems" to match the individual they are searching for and without any regard at all to accuracy, without any verification of documentation or supporting sourcing, they just "PUSH THE BUTTON" and TADAAAAA..... INSTANT FAMILY.... DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!!!

I spend countless hours tracking down things to support my entries only to find BS work where things have been copied incorrectly over and over and over.....

Unfortunately, Howard and Carol Ann feel a lot of what is said on these profiles for the Waldrops has indeed been copied.

That is why I sent mail to ALL of the managers controlling the WALDROP SURNAME..... THEY need to be the ones to step in here and let's get this straightened out.

I had a lead where Katherine Waldrop is showing a Tie to Lt. Col. William Polk which would make me very happy if true..... Now I can't trust this data....

But, I am trying to help so please accept that way.... I'm just disappointed right now....

I have a saved copy of a PDF on Waldrop family that I am trying to fugure out where I foubd it from. It lists my 3rd great
grandmother Jemima Mary Waldrop shr married Moses Biggs. Anyway, I wilk try ti co0y it to this thread tomorrow. I think there is a website on it. May be an old link.

ooos, sorry, I mean I will try to copy to this discussion. I know there seems to be various Waldrops with similar names and from different locations. Example, there is a Jemima Waldrop who was born in 1700s versus my Jemima Waldrop born in 1825 or so.

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Fantastic!! Would love to see it... If you don't mind, when you are copying to this thread, would you mind sending the PDF to my email: Pthompson38@bellsouth.net

Thanks Jamey,

Jamey - try to upload the PDF file as a document to Your gg, set to public, then everyone can work with it, tag to the profiles mentioned.

One thought is to use create a branch to create a new clean tree. Then make those Master Profiles, and then merge the existing Geni profiles into them. Faster, easier, cleaner.

If there’s a rootsweb database with a proven tree, we can copy that over using the SmartCopy chrome add on (free, and now available to All Geni members).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=30gRnmEfs7c

https://www.geni.com/projects/SmartCopy/18783

Hello @Erica Howton, that is a great idea and as I just jumped on Geni here I was thinking of how to load it to one of the Waldrop Profiles. My only problem is where it came from.

I will get backt to you guys and let you know what happens.

@Patrick H Thompson, I will, as I said, try to post to the profile.

I just attached the PDF document to Jemina Mary Waldrop Biggs profile and also tagged those mentioned in it pertaining to my family.

I also tagged Joseph Waldrop

Joseph Waldrop

Jemima Mary Biggs

Good work, Jamey. I’m following the document

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000075013257857&

It’s on the “media” tab and can also be seen under “sources” for the profiles tagged to it.

It can be seen in entirety here

https://media.geni.com/p13/c4/75/dc/3c/53444847637b7a81/waldrop_ori...

This may be helpful if you haven’t worked with Geni documents before

https://www.geni.com/blog/how-to-make-documents-useful-321311.html

Thank you Erica. Going to take a look at how to make the documents useful.

There are several other Biggs profiles mentioned on this document along with Walrops and Pierce (my family tree) that can be tagged if they are in Geni. I am going to have a look and try to tag more.

Thanks Ladies!!! Mannnnnnn, scared me for a Second!!! I saw that big "Due to Increasing Server Costs" sign on the first page and I was like, "Oh No"....... hahahaha.... But I saw the rest... Thanks again.

I too have have some Lineage Reports directly from Howard Waldrop. They are by Family Group. I will get them uploaded on here today. However, because they are in Family Groups, do you suggest that I add them individually to each one? and then copy the Links here? Remember, my WALDROP adventure is just beginning so others, like myself, are not accustomed to all the Waldrop Players yet. How do I ensure everybody has the opportunity to get a copy?

Question: Is there a way to get into the gwwgen.com file to see the documentation? The URL says it's forbidden; You don't have permission to access / on this server.

So let's say you have a group sheet for a (invented name) G.W. Waldrop, naming his parents, two wives and six children. Upload the document once, then tag it to the family profiles. And you can post the URL of the up loaded document to the discussion.

@JameyBalester Regarding your PDF you uploaded.... I sent it to Howard and here is what he had to say:

GWWGEN.COM

is Gary Watson.

He is a descendant of Joseph Waldrop ( who went to Christian Co KY and Crawford Co IL), who was a son of Luke sr.

He does good work.

But, he is not a Waldrop researcher; just his line of Waldrop and Waldrops who went to Christian and IL.

Howard

@Erica Howton: Wish it were that easy.... These are more complex than that.
I'll upload one shortly and show you.

@Patrick, Thank you for taking the time to share the document with Howard. I too tried to search the URL and got the same message. Even if he is not a Waldrop Researcher, he is a descendant and looks like he did some research enough to include many of my exsisitng relatives and their ancestors. I will keep it at face value for not and see what else you have to add to the Waldrop tree.

Good to know who compiled the PDF as it was a mystery and I forgot where I found it.

Thank you.

Shadrack Waldrop

https://media.geni.com/p13/d6/80/a8/3c/5344484765a24b04/shadrack_li...

There is the complete line on "SHADRACK WALDROP" as far as it is known by Howard & Carol Ann Waldrop.

np Jamey.... I wanted to see if he knew who's work it was myself... Though he did point out that Gary is not a Waldrop Researcher, I think he is trying to say that Gary doesn't dedicate all his time to just Waldrops. He did say that Gary does good work too... so that's a good thing...

by the way, if you have something specific you want to know, feel free to contact Howard Directly. He has already said he will be happy to try and help.

Thank you for the information and Shadrack Waldrop line Patrick. Please thank Howard and Carol for me. Are they on geni or do they have a blog website?

I scrolled through it quickly and will go back to read it in detail.

No Blog and not on Geni but the Waldrop File i listed for Roots web at the top of this post, is all Howard & Carol Ann's work. And he is on WIKI TREE too.

Also, Carol Ann has the Waldrops somewhere in her line as well. So when they married, they teamed up some time in the 80s and started really diving into the Waldrop Line. Back when records were obtained by going to the Court House and the like.

Howard has told me several times to invite anyone who wants to discuss the Waldrop Line to contact him. He is a nice guy and will give you all the info he has.

As for source documents, you will find most on Roots or wiki tree.

Let me know if there is a specific line you want. I may already have it.

I got started making a Master Profile so we can correct the Waldrop link.

- I tagged the register report / source / cited to Shadrack Waldrop

- I used the Ahnentafel link at https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hwrd... to make a family report in the overview

- I usually put in a comments / sources section for profiles, but perhaps leave that to you? I'd like to get going with disconnects or moving profiles around as need be

- Did you want to make a mother Elizabeth profile based on https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hwrd... just add her!