Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes, a1b4c1d3 - Wrong Parents

Started by Sharon Doubell on Thursday, July 12, 2018
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Valeta Baty
Yesterday at 8:56 PM
Managers of Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes,

I am contacting you about this profile: https://www.geni.com/people/Hendrik-Meintjes-a1b4c1d3/6000000007774...

I am not sure exactly when, or by whom, but some changes were made to reflect Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes parents as: Barend and Martha Lubbe, with Barend Lubbe then connect to Johannes Meintjes as a son. Now unless someone has documentation to reflect some sort of fostering, and then a name change, this information is incorrect.

Hendrik Adriaan's Death Notice indicates that his parents were Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes and Maria Catharina Smit. The link to my tree was his daughter, also listed in his death notice, Anna Susanna. The information can be confirmed here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQX-MSL8-B?i=1689...

The rest of lineage should be correct: Hendrik Adriaan to Hendrik Adriaan to Johannes to Johan etc.

I am not able to correct this as the only option available to me is to manually add them all in again. Could someone who has perhaps Curator powers (Ja, I'm looking to you Sharon for some of your awesome magic again!) try to fix this?

Sincerely,

Valeta Baty

Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes, a1b4c1d3

Sharon Lee Doubell
Yesterday at 10:39 PM
I'm going to try and undo recent merges...

Sharon Lee Doubell
Yesterday at 10:53 PM
I end up with these

Daniel Gittinger...

Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes van den Berg

Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes van den Berg

But none are producing the parents you say we should have...

Sharon Lee Doubell
Yesterday at 11:02 PM
RE - "The information can be confirmed here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQX-MSL8-B?i=1689... " I'm just getting a blank page.

Sharon Lee Doubell
Yesterday at 11:09 PM
SmartCopyConsistency Check: is all over the place,so something has definitely been messed up.

Birth date of Maria Catharina Meintjies, c1d10 is after her death date.Maria Catharina Meintjies, c1d10 born after the death of her father Barend Frederick Lubbe, b12.Elizabeth Johanna Meintjes Naude, d10 born after the death of her father Barend Frederick Lubbe, b12.Willem Meintjies born after the death of his father Barend Frederick Lubbe, b12.Hendrik Arnoldus Meintjies born after the death of his father Barend Frederick Lubbe, b12.Maria Catharina Meintjies, c1d10 born after the death of her mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Willem Meintjes (d5) born after the death of his mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Elizabeth Meintjes (d8) born after the death of her mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Johannes Petrus Meintjies, b4c1d4 born after the death of his mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Willem Meintjes (d6) born after the death of his mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Catherina Meintjes (d7) born after the death of her mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Elizabeth Johanna Meintjes Naude, d10 born after the death of her mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Albert Meintjies born after the death of his mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Willem Andries Meintjies born after the death of his mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Willem Meintjies born after the death of his mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.Hendrik Arnoldus Meintjies born after the death of his mother Martha Burger Lubbe, b3c1.

Valeta Baty
Today at 12:01 AM
Ja...not nice hey! It used to be okay, but I think there have been recent changes, probably over the last year, that have really messed things up.

As for the document, not sure why you are getting a blank on the sheet and I also can't see how to attach a copy of the page here. So, I have added the document under his profile under sources so that you can see the relevant information on his parents.

Hope this helps clarify, as I know all the other "references" are from MyHeritage Family trees. Whether this has back-up documents or whether these are based on assumptions, I don't know. I just know what his death notice says.

Hoping we can sort the mess it has become!

Valeta Baty
Today at 12:40 AM
So to confirm the information I have:

Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes ("Senior" as noted on death notice as he had a son by the same name)

His parents: Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes & Marie Catharina Smit

First marriage: 10.4.1791 Catharina Maria Naude (daughter of Stephanus Naudé & Elizabeth Johanna Smit, ≈ 4.3.1776)

Second marriage: Graaff-Reinet, Maria Magdalena Meyer, both are indicated on the death notice.

As for my lineage, this is what I have:
Me
Cecelia Elizabeth van Staden
Anna Sophia Lötter
Barendina Johanna Vorster
Stephanus Jacobus Vorster *
Anna Susanna Meintjes
Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes (1772 & husband to Catharina Maria Naudé)
Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes (about 1748 and husband to Marie Catharina Smit)
Johannes Meintjes (about 1719 and husband to Jacoba van Wyk)
Johann Heinrich Meintjes (about 1675 and husband to Christina Bastiaans)

I should add, I do have a Lubbe in my lineage, but he is on the Vorster side of the family*, specifically in the Barend Johannes Vorster line. His mother was Elizabeth Bruyns Lubbe, daughter of Barend Lubbe (about 1671) and Jacoba Brandenburg (about 1675). They only appear once, where Johann Heinrich Meintjes and Christina Bastiaans appear three times in my lineage - oh the joys of a limited population!

Give me a shout if I have muddied the waters!

Thanks, Private User for uploading the DN.

I'm going to use a Discussion so I can cf the profiles of the erroneous parents. Their managers might have some insight into what has happened as well. Barend Federick Lubbe and Maartje Burger

There is a parent conflict on Barend. Undoing recent merges there gives me a Hendrik Meijntjies van den Berg having been merged into him!!

But his name was changed from Hendrik to Barend by Private User:
Hendrik Meintjes, a1b4c1's profile was updated by Kerrie. baptism, birth, death, display name, forename, surname, birth surname and suffix « less
24 May at 9:30 PM · view

Well that would break the tree :-?

His DN says following:

Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes Sr 1772 - 3 July 1849
Par: Hendrik Adriaan & Maria Catharina Smit [Naude?]
x Maria Magdaelena Weyers
*Hendrik A
*Anna S
*Catharina M
*Stephanus
*Jacobus
*Johannes
*Burgert A
*Martha J
*Elizabeth J
*Maria Catharina -d

Maria Catharina Smit unmerge. Now one is married to Hendrik and one to Barend. No solution there.

I think I must go looking for Maria Magdaelena Meyer

Son of Dirk van Rooyen, b10c2 and Anna Magdalena Helena Meyer. Dirk married his mother's relatives it appears by the name :-/

Martha Lubbe had been changed from it's original names: Maria Catharina Smit, b4c5d2's profile was updated by Private User. baptism, birth, death, display name, forename, surname and nicknames 24 May at 9:31 PM

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Maria Magdalena Meyer bap Feb 23 1794
Stellenbosch, Cape Of Good Hope, South Africa
Parents: Isaac Meyer & Susanna Sophia Schalkwijk
x 1812 Dirk W van Rooyen
xx 1847 Hendrik A Meintjes

Now it seems to me that the parents of Maria Catharina Smit are wrong?
Not: Andries Burger & Maria Magdalena van der Merwe

I'm going to disconnect & use the profile's Overview that says:
c5 Jacobus » Kaapstad 6.9.1716 x Swartland 14.8.1746 Catharina VAN DYK » Kaapstad 27.8.1724 d.v. Burgert Pieter van Dyk en Maria Visser

d2 Maria Catharina » Swartland 26.7.1750 x Drakenstein 05.04.1767 Hendrik MEINTJES » Waveren 5.5.1748

So, linking her as daughter of Jacobus Smit, b4c5 & Catharina Maria van Dyk
(I see Private User had to lock this a month or so ago - I presume that's how far the merge mess up went!)

I think that may be the main issues sorted out. Please check that everyone's happy.

I think this may be related to a bunch of smerges done 24 May where Lubbe and Meintjes were messed together - see Lubbe b3 - I only saw 2 of those but it seems there are even more further down.

I alerted Curator Daan Botes to this last night, the easiest solution is to undo those mergers (which should be done in any case). Sharon, let me know if I should point out the exact details/profiles and culprit.

I think you got the main issues sorted out, Sharon. Happy that Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes' information now agrees with the physical documentation!

Great! :-) If someone checks / adds the died young children of Hendrik Adriaan Meintjes, - I'll Relationship lock him. My Curator note is from his DN only.

Jan- if you post those links I'll take a look when I get a chance.

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