2nd wife of Robert Brasseur - This person's name was Elizabeth Fowke and she did not immigrate; but is from the Miq Mak direct to Membertou.

Calvert family of Chickasaw hail from their trading post on the mouth of the York River, MD. Same Brasseur family as the Brassear's Emigrant Listing of the Choctaw Removal Era with Farve of Mobile family of translators.

Too many children. 2nd wife supposedly had 3.

I’m confused by this profile:

N.N.

Elizabeth Fowke is not part of this family. She is here:

Elizabeth Brazier

From http://www.next1000.com/family/EC/brassieur.robt.html

“Charles Brashear is convinced that we have no idea who Robert's wife may have been. Several researchers have listed that Robert was married to Elizabeth Fowke of France and others that it was Florence. He has found no evidence to support either of these marriages to this first Robert. Robert Sr. was certainly in the colonies by 1636 and had grown children by 1653, if his wife was left at home she would have been rather elderly by her immigration if she was indeed the Florence who came over in 1653. Is seems more likely that it would be the new wife of Robert Jr. who went back with his brother to bring in the relatives.”

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The source for the tree on Geni is the book:

Brashear, Charles and McCoy, Shirley Brasher. A Brashear(s) Family History, Vol. 1 (of eight) The First Two Hundred Years of Brashears in America, Charles Brashear/Shirley McCoy, 1998

Robert and this 2nd wife are showing as my 11th great grands and the Geni seems to have settled. My path has not wavered and I know I match other claimants to this line. I find it very interesting when the geography, history, paper trail and DNA converge.

Is probably my FAVORITE thing about this format because everything is taken into account. I do trust the process most days!

Thank you for merging the two Roberts @Erica! Those merge requests sit in the hopper sometimes so I am very excited to check today and see it completed and I can share that I am MOST excited to FOLLOW this Discussion. Thank you, @David, for knowing the history and for advocating for these Native American and FPOC profiles and lineages.

Please fill in biographical details for Elizabeth Lankford her husband John Scott

Other wife Elizabeth Scott

And the “Patriot Exum Scott” mentioned.

Capt. Francis Exum Jesse Scott, Cheraw of Ft. Christanna

Elizabeth Scott, Old Cheraw

What is the supporting evidence for her parents ? There would be Society of Friends Records ?

In the profile for Elizabeth Scott, Old Cheraw

Biography

Elizabeth Scott Her parents were Thomas Jordan, II, of Chuckatuck and Margaret Brashear.

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This is not supported. Margaret Jordan Had 10 sons and no known daughters. Her children and death were recorded at the Chuckatuck Monthly Meeting and preserved in Hinshaw’s Encylopedia.

You may view it at Ancestry.com here:

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/3753/quakergenvolvi-005674?pid...

And I’ve uploaded the page to profiles:

https://media.geni.com/p13/f6/f9/3e/13/5344484bd3c88b8f/b9341bb7-25...

In 1669, 27 year old Margaret Brasheur (one of many spellings) married 35 year old Thomas Jordan, Jr. (1634-1699). She was the daughter of Robert Brasheur, a French Huguenot immigrant who had settled in Nansemond and had also become a Quaker. On 12 April 1653, Robert Brasheur received a land patent for 1200 acres on the southern branch of the Nansemond River resulting from transporting himself, his wife, and his children, together with nine other would-be colonists to Virginia (headrights).

Margaret was born September 1642 in Nansemond Co., VA (see attached map for location). This county no longer exists.

At the age of 16, Margaret became a Quaker (Society of Friends) and was "united with The Truth". She was no doubt responsible for leading her husband, Thomas Jordan, Jr., "into the light". At the time Margaret became a Quaker, there were only a few of this sect living in Virginia. As the Quakers became more numerous and it came to the attention of the authorities that they stubbornly resisted some established laws of the colony, severe persecution resulted.

Margaret suffered along side her husband from the persecution of the Quakers. The imprisonment of her husband, Thomas, and the officially sanctioned confiscation of their chattel, including cattle, home furnishings and bondsmen did not deter their Quaker beliefs.

In 1698, Thomas Story, a follower of William Penn, came to Virginia and recorded in his journal how, on his first visit, he lodged with Thomas Jordan (Jr.) of Chuckatuck. He recorded how on his second visit, 27 May 1705, he lodged at the home of the old widow (Margaret) of Thomas Jordan (Jr.).

The quit rent roll of Nansemond Co., 1704, shows Margaret as the widow of Thomas Jordan (Jr.) in the possession of 200 acres.

Margaret lived an exemplary life and was blessed with twelve children, only one of whom (Thomas III) didn't follow the "faith", e. g. becoming a Quaker. In her 63rd year (1705), she was "taken with an indisposition of the body" that lasted 3 years. The day before her dead, with her children gathered around her, she was still concerned over the soul of her oldest son, Thomas, whose worldly ambitions had allowed him to veer from the straight and narrow path his mother and father trod.

The children of Thomas and Margaret (Brasheur) Jordan were:
1) Thomas Jordan III b. 06 Jan 1660
2) John Jordan b. 17 Jun 1663
3) James Jordan b. 23 Nov 1665
4) Robert Jordan b. 11 Jul 1668
5) Richard Jordan b. 06 Jun 1670
6) Joseph Jordan b. 08 Jul 1672
7) Benjamin Jordan b. 18 Jul 1674
8) Matthew Jordan b. 01 Nov 1676
9) Samuel Jordan b. 15 Feb 1679 (Named after his grandfather, Samuel Jordan [1578-1623])
10) Joshua Jordan b. June 1681
11) Elizabeth Jordan
12) Margaret Jordan

Sources:
1) "These Jordans Were Here" by Octavia Jordan Perry, 1969, pp64-67.
2) "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5" by John Frederick Dorman, 4th Ed., Vol. II, 2005, p366.
3) "The Harrisons of Skimino" Edited by Fairfax Harrison, 1910, pp24-26.
4) "A Brashear(s) Family History, Descendants of Robert and Benois Brasseur" by Charles Brashear, 1998, p10.
5) "John Pankey of Manakin Town, Virginia, and his Descendants" by George Edward Pankey, Vol. I, 1969, p428.

There is no further information about the daughters Margaret & Elizabeth that I see, and they are not listed in Hinshaw. The original meeting records are available on line I think if someone wants to track them down, but given the amount of Jordan research and number of Jordan researchers, and the quality of the MM records, if they existed / survived, there shouldn’t be any difficulty finding at this generation.

Exum Scott Capt. Francis Exum Jesse Scott, Cheraw of Ft. Christanna is shown as born 1728. How is he married to someone born between 1660 - 1680?

Look “down” the Jordan trees at least two generations.

in the U.S., Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol I–VI, 1607-1943

View U.S., Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol I–VI, 1607-1943


Name: Elizabeth Jordan
Birth Date on Image: Seventh 1683
Translated Birth Date: Sep 1683
Birth Place: Nansemond
Monthly Meeting: Chuckatuck Monthly Meeting
Volume: Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy Vol. VI

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=GXH940&_phst...

Persecution under the Quakers did not deter Thomas and Margaret's belief....it says.
The Jordans / Jordaines enter the scene after the Bermuda ship wreck that Linda found.

She’s the daughter of Thomas the younger and Elizabeth Burgh. Married supposedly John scott & Thomas Lankford.

Elizabeth Lankford

My Heritage has the same Elizabeth Jordan born in the last three decades of the 1600's so, the birthdate is not clear to those researchers. Maybe Elizabeth is a granddaughter.

That John Scott as husband must be the missing generation because the Elizabeth Jordan would be too old to marry Exum Scott, Sr.

Yeah I think we're missing a generation somewhere.

One that was trying to conceal their tithability. They did not get away with it due to the court records added to the Overview section of Elizabeth Jordan.

It’s 40 years out of sync at least. By 1728 there are many Elizabeth Jordan’s.

Going back to Elizabeth Fowke. If that’s the person whose DNA you see matches with, it’s way down in the 1727 time frame also. Whatever was being seen in online trees was an old scam.

These notes have been in the Geni profile for years:

“The maiden surname of Florence, wife of Robert Brasseur, is UNKNOWN. It was not Fowke. An Elizabeth Fowke, daughter of Chandler Fowke, and granddaughter of Gerard Fowke, married Zachariah BRAZIER in Stafford County, Virginia, in 1759. Her ancestry, with the dates shifted back over a century, has been fraudulently attached to Florence wife of Robert Brasseur. See here: http://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I02370... and NB especially "Mary Fossaker", mother of this Elizabeth (cf "Mary Tassaker" given as mother to Florence "Fowke").”

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Thank you for that.

Elizabeth Lankford Doesn’t make sense as the daughter of Thomas the Younger & wife of Thomas Langford, Sr. unless she’s a second wife: his children were born in the 1680s.

(List is controversial)

See http://adupree.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I7157&tree=adupree

And a Jordan woman belongs in this tree. Thomas attended the wedding of Col. Samuel Jordan

Samuel Jordan's will 11 June 1719 states that "John Fleming have the Plantation of Thomas Lankford deceased and the management of his Estate and the bringing up of his son Thomas."

I presume that’s this Colonel John Fleming

I think the Thomas Lankford who died 1719 is the next generation but I’m not sure.

The Jordan / Jordain married Knight making them tithable all the way down to the Knight family of the Independent State of Jones of Jones CO, MS from whom their forebearers go straight to these Jordans via Knight. That is the story of Robert Brassear because the Brassear/Braziers/Bazors are all related, know each other, have connections from La Salle and De Soto and were running around all over the ports of all that Spain and France controlled. That Margaret Jordan became a Quaker at age 16 means her Knight descendants came about their "Hougenot" in a non bio way. The Brazzear and Calverts and Knights and Jones and Lotts and Lightfoot and Hooe all had their Capts and all were involved in trade all the way to the Mayan lands beyond the West Indies and on up to Arcadia and beyond. The ship supposedly containing the British Jordans (disputed) was on record ship wrecked in Bermuda for a whole year. Geneologists trying to use that as a manifest log to supplant a place of origin are just denying what is captured very well in the movie, "Independent State of Jones". Also, atDna can and really does help. When there is a 15 cM connection between cousins 8 generation apart to the Jordains/Jordans of Barbados, and there are for sure those matches, there is no other way to look at it that the Jordains' were from the West Indies and not England.

You’ll have to post some link references on all this.

This Brasseur family supposedly originates from Isle of Thanet.

The Jordan’s supposedly are from the very famous Samuel Jordan of Jordan’s Journey (Dorset Origins). He had a son Thomas. Descendants like to think Major Thomas Jordan was this son.

There’s a lot of controversy & angst around this and huge, huge number of descendants.

I’d rather see little areas get nailed down.

My Lords, Ladies, and Genteman, anyone wanting to run their k9b Eurogenes and seeing where the Red shows up to each other, let the team I work with know. The C-1 West Asian is pretty thick in these Jordaine/Jordan matches. We welcome the comparisons.

Elizabeth Knight Is not proved as a Jordan. As I understand it, she could have been an Eppes.

And she has a same name sister (probably not - more likely one or both is not properly identified).

Elizabeth Scott

Further to the John Scott found married to Elizabeth Lankford: his wife was an Elizabeth, their children were born 1680s, and that’s all I know so far.

John Scott

I see two Elizabeth's in the same generation as sisters at this tree: MyHeritage Family Trees
Coleman Family Tree in Hogan/Coleman/Spears/Goins/Johnson/Price/Barnes/ Web Site, managed by Cheryl Coleman
Birth:
1661 - Edgecombe, Edgecombe, North Carolina, USA
Death:
1743 - Surry, Surry, Virginia, USA
Parents:
Thomas Jordan, Il Of Chuckatuck, Margaret (Brashears Brashare) Jordan (born Brasseur)
Siblings:
Elizabeth (Scott;) Lankford (born Jordon), Christian Jordan, Thomas Fleming Jordan, Ill, Unknown Rattcliff (born Elizabeth Jorden), Elizabeth Scott Langford (born Jordan), John Jordan, Sr., James Jordan, Margaret Davis (born Jordan), Margaret Davis (born Jordan), Margaret Davis (born Jordan), Robert Jordan, Richard Jordan, Joseph Jordan, Rev. Benjamin Jordan, Sr., Matthew Jordan (Born Jordan), Samuel Jordan, Martha Jordan, Joshua Jordan, Cordelia Clark (born Lankford), Christian Jordan, William Jordan, Sarah Bates (born Jordan)

I see the confusion with the Elizabeth Jordan who married Richard Washington and they lived right next "door" to the Old Cheraw on the north and to the Cheroenhaka on their west and then the Meherrin River curved round their land and the confluence of the Nottoway and the Chowan was their other boundary. So, think the confusion is the very native Jordans go to the Washington family and not the Brashers family. That second Elizabeth is a Scott and best guess is she was John Scott's daughter.

How could she have been born in Edgecombe NC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgecombe_County,_North_Carolina

“The county was formed in 1741 from Bertie County. ”