הרבנית הצדקת גליקל מורגנשטרן(of Kotzk),1st Wife - Place of birth and place of death are incorrect

Started by Haim Wartski, HaCohen on Wednesday, June 19, 2019
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6/19/2019 at 12:23 AM

From the information I know (from my father) she was born in tomashov, and according to information I received from Rabbi Naftali Aharon Wukstein is buried in warka
If anyone has any details to add, I would be very happy and grateful

6/19/2019 at 12:32 AM

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Maybe you have information on the subject? Or maybe your brother-in-law (who is my cousin) has information?

thanks

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6/19/2019 at 4:55 AM

I found about 25 sources for her birth. Maybe take a few days off of work to go visit them to ask them? My brother-in-law is not interested, as most people are who are related to Morgensterns, Horowitzes and Katzenellenbogens. It is like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates being uninterested in money because they have so much of it. They have so many relatives so are not interested in distant cousins and ancestors.

6/19/2019 at 6:10 AM

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I understand you well
.btw your brother-in-law and I cousins (4th ).
In any case, her birth and death are not correct. Besides, the kozker rebbe was not born in Kotzk and did not meet her in Kotzk but in tomashov.
I'll tell you something:
someone from the family turned to me (here in Israel)And told me that I have many cousins living here, and asked me if I am interested in meeting them,I told him immediately yes. He started to prepare the meeting, told me that everyone are very excited (I was also excited), prepared a place for the meeting, and finally he asked me if I am observing Shabbat, I answered the truth-no,He immediately canceled everything.

I also tried to meet members of the Horowitz family, but for some reason some of them are arrogant people) , they do not understand that my yichus is much much bigger than theirs.
Meanwhile I have only disappointments, but my parents have taught me never to give up

6/19/2019 at 6:28 AM

last thing:
btw her last name from home was reis not nay, it's a mistake that people copy from each other
Her sister married with rabbi Nahum nay
And that's where people's confusion started, copying misinformation

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6/21/2019 at 1:57 PM

I disagree - sites like this are made for people like me, with 3600 family members and fewer than 3000 blood relatives. For Protestants and relatives of Chassidim and Horowitzes how can one possibly be interested in that which is infinite? Who is rich? She who is happy with what she has. If she has 109 billion provable blood relatives down to Yahweh yichus cannot be a thrill.

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6/21/2019 at 4:42 PM

to the best of my understanding NAY means NOT KNOWN. i.e. there is No family name known (as yet).
NAY = NO.

6/21/2019 at 10:55 PM

my great-grandfather(1th)from this side was hachassid Rabbi zysman rajzman.
The name rajzman is in Polish, but in English write: Riesman It is very possible that his family is a relative of hers father" family..
On the other hand, his great-grandfather: Rabbi Yosef Zev Wolf Frenkel, A.B.D. Wolbrom and Zarki belongs to the Teomim family and he is descended of rabbi
Jonah Frankel Teomim(If you know how to connect him to the teomim family tree I would be very happy)
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If you look at her profile picture, I have attached the information that I received from Rabbi Naftali Aharon Wauchstein (and is considered one of the best researchers in the world of rabbinic families and dynasties),

He writes what her surname is, and where the confusion came with the name nay

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6/23/2019 at 10:42 AM

Why would someone put anything in birth surname if they do not know it? Leaving it blank implies a lack of knowledge of it. I'm surprised this is not obvious.

6/23/2019 at 11:11 AM

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About her last name: I added the information in her profile picture. Her father's last name was Reis no nay
about Place of Birth and Place of Death:

According to the information I have, from Naftali Aharon Wauchstein
She was born in tomashov
And died in Warka
Note that the kozker rebbe came to kozk with his chassidim after looking for a place to settle in.
Neither he nor Glickel were born in Kozk. he and his son reb Dovid are buried there, for some reason Glickel was buried in Warka

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