Dorothy Ogle - Too many children

There’s a different lineage on this source for the Dorothy Ogle who married Thomas Forster. I wonder if two different Dorothy’s have been conflated.

http://www.archive.org/stream/genealogydescen00smargoog#page/n181/m...
33. — Their son, Ralph, 3rd Lord Ogle, who d. 1513, mar. Margaret, d. of Sir William Gascoyne. (See Scheme, No. CL. at Page 102.)
34. — Their son, Robert, 4th Lord Ogle, born 1491, mar. Anne, d. of Thomas Lumley, (son and heir of Sir George, Lord Lumley) by his wife Lady Elizabeth Plantagenet, nat. dau. of King Edward IV. by Lady Elizabeth Lucy.
35 — Their son, Robert, 5th Lord Ogle, who died 1546, mar. Dorothy, dau. of Sir Henry Widdrington, of Widdrington.
' 36. — Their dau. Dorothy Ogle, mar. Sir Thomas Foster, of Etherstone; Marshall of Berwick. (Raine, and Hodgson.)

Hello Erica
Sorry I can't help with this as I have not delved into the Ogles that much. We are descended from your Dorothy Ogle's niece Eleanor Ogle through her marriage to Chistopher Selby of Biddlesden Hall. All I know of Dorothy Ogle is that she married twice - firstly to Sir Thomas Forster of Etherstone Castle (by whom she had issue and from who Hillary Clinton is said to be descended) and secondly to Sir Thomas Grey of Horton Castle (by whom she had further issue). I know Dorothy's father was Ralph Ogle, 3rd Baron Ogle of Bothal (1468-1513) and her mother was his wife Margaret Gascoigne (1473-1515) but I feel certain you know all this already.
IG

A PEDIGREE OF THE FORSTERS AND FOSTERS OF THE NORTH OF ENGLAND : AND SOME OF THE FAMILIES CONNECTED WITH THEM. Author: Foster, Joseph, Date of Publication: 1871
I added a jpeg of the page to the husband of Dorothy
Sir Thomas Forster, III, Knight, 9th Gov., Sheriff of Northum

Oh joy, yet another father for Dorothy, this shows Cuthbert Ogle

https://media.geni.com/p13/1b/73/71/b2/5344484df9c1e51c/forster_fam...

Thanks to Ian’s note that she’s in the Hillary Clinton pedigree, we should take a look at what Gary Boyd Roberts has.

Just a “down & dirty”

https://familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Hillary_Diane_Rodham_(1947)/ahne...

12-great-grandparents
16,384 paternal line]]
16,390 Thomas Grey (c1509-1570)
16,391 Dorothy Ogle, Lady Grey (c1488-1550) - Order of Charlemagne: 254 at time of editing
13-great-grandparents
32,768 paternal line
32,782 Ralph Ogle, 3rd Baron of Ogle (1468-1513)
32,783 Margaret Gascoigne (-c1515) - Order of Charlemagne: 24 at time of editing

Hello again Erica - it does appear that someone has got their Lord Ogles mixed up - the one I have is Baron Ogle of Bothal (not Baron Ogle of Ogle) and he is called Ralph (1468 1513). (The 7th Baron Ogle was Cuthbert and he died in 1597) - other stuff you may find interesting:- Dorothy's brother Sir Robert Ogle, 4th Baron Ogle of Bothal married Anne Lumley whose mother was Elizabeth, an illegitimate daughter of King Edward IV by Elizabeth Lucy. Also a daughter of your Dorothy (by her second husband Sir Thomas Grey of Horton married Robert Clavering of Callaly) was called Ann Grey and she married Thomas Selby of Biddleston (the son of Eleanor Ogle and Christopher Selby - from whom we are descended.) Hope you find this diverting - enjoy your searching.
IG

That matches Wikipedia (with citations but is there primary source data) - looks like it’s just a title discrepancy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Ogle,_3rd_Baron_Ogle

More dig in needed ...

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ogle-204

In any case, Ogle, (1902) is the authority for Ogle genealogy. He states there is no way Dorothy could be the daughter of Robert, 5th Baron Ogle, and that her father is Ralph, 3rd Baron Ogle.

Some sources conflict when it comes to identifying Dorothy's second husband. Burke (1831), states he's John Grey of Horton,[4] while Parliament, and Ogle (1902) say he's Sir Thomas Grey of Horton (ante.1512 - 05 Aug 1570), who served as Marshall of Berwick.[5] But Burke (1833), later agrees that she married Thomas Grey of Horton, so there was a publishing error at some point.

Ref: Ogle, H.A.(1902). Ogle and Bothal: History of the baronies of Ogle, Bothal, and Hepple, (pp.lxvii).

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/194975-redi...

Hopefully can find the right page ...

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=allerton%5Fma... Matches the source, I think we can use it to ensure the children are correct.

Here's one.... from Wills and Inventories, Northern counties of England, 11th Cen downwards, part 1, 1834.

lSir Thomas Forster, ofAdderstone, Co. Xorthumb., married Dorothy, daughter of Robert Lord Ogle, and among numerous other children leftbehind him Thomas Forster, of Adderstone, who married Florence, sisterof Thomas Lord Wharton and SirJohn Forster, Knt., Warden ofthe Marches, from whom descended the Forsters of Bamborough Castle. Thomas Forster, of Adder- atone, the Grandfather of the Testator, by a daughter of Fetherstonhalgh, of
Stanhope, left behind him twenty-Mo sons, of whose descendants Northumber land, but especially Bamboroughshirc, was at one time almost literally over spread.

I'll add it to Dorothy Ogle Sources.