William Smith, of Owlcotes - Wife

Looking further at the Lyttons, I think that William de Lytton of Knebworth sons, Robert and Rowland, might have been mistakenly conflated sometime in the past (perhaps in this merge: https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=70517302790), resulting in Sir Robert Lytton, of Knebworth.

According to:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p47228.htm#i472279
https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA90&...
http://sites.rootsweb.com/~deschart/z0000091.html
the two sons should be:
Rowland Lytton married 1) Margaret Tate, 2) Anne Carleton
Robert Lytton married 1) Frances Cavalery, 2) Elizabeth Munden.

The current Rowland/Robert conglomerate has Frances Cavalery, Elizabeth Munden, and Anne Carleton as wives. Margaret Lytton was also attached previously, but has been removed.

This leaves us with two more of William de Lytton of Knebworth's sons:

William Letton (who does not have any family attached)

Thomas Lutton, from whom two U.S. immigrants, Caleb Polleckfield Litton, Sr. and Major Thomas Luten are descended.

I am not seeing any sources for these two sons. Would anyone like to weigh in on what their fates should be?

The locations look OK for the line from Thomas Lutton to Major Thomas Luten

But I’m concerned Luten does not equal Lytton.

And it looks like William de Lytton of Knebworth is missing his Burke’s sourced son:

From the book "A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, by John Burke, publ. 1835: “William de Lytton of Knebworth, Governor of the Castle of Bulloigne in France, and Sheriff for the counties of Herts and Essex, who wedded Audtrey, daughter and heiress of Sir Phillip Booth of Shrubland Hall, Suffolk, by Margaret, daughter of Sir Witten Hopton of Swillington, was survived by a son, Sir Robert Lytton, Knight, of Knebworth and Shrubland Hall.”

Visitations of Herefordshire ...

Only two sons of William & Audrey, Robert & Rowland, as otherwise identified also:

https://archive.org/details/visitationsofher222732cook/page/n168

Cut loose Thomas & William, maybe keep as brothers.

This is a later Rowland Litton of Knebsworth, I think:

https://archive.org/details/visitationsofher222732cook/page/n132

I undid the merge on Sir Robert Lytton, of Knebworth and Rowland Lytton, of Knebworth, so William & Audrey have their two sons back.

Very nice work Tamas. I think we’re just about sorted already.

I detached Sir Robert Lytton, of Knebworth wife, Jane Laughton as well as the second husband of Robert's wife Frances Lytton Robert Laughton, II. I think that there was a mix-up between the two Roberts.

According to Burke's peerage, Sir Robert Lytton, of Knebworth was survived by three daughters: Dame Helen Elena Brocket Elizabeth Barrett and Mary Lytton.

This source adds a fourth daughter, Anne Borlase : https://archive.org/details/visitationsofher222732cook/page/n167 and this is also backed up by this biography of Sir William Borlase: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/b...

This leaves us with Joane Lumley (which I am not sure what to do about)

and William Letton (which is clearly incorrect since Robert did not leave any male heirs, hence the reason for his female coheirs and the estate going to his brother, Rowland).

Erica Howton Thank you for your help!

With the exception of the possible questions over Sir Robert Lytton, of Knebworth's daughters, I think that this segment of the Lytton tree is looking good.

Back to the beginning of this discussion. Does anyone have any thoughts on William Smith, of Owlcotes's wife, Margaret Smith, and her family? Where does she come from?

The only source for William Smith of Owlcotes' existence which I can locate online is this quote: "William Smith, tenant for life of a moiety of Owlecotes now occupied by his son and heir Andrew to whom the reversion belongs, gives Andrew his life interest on his marriage with Susan, daughter of Laurence Waterhouse" and many genealogies make no claims as to the identity of his wife.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/chickened/smithfamily.html
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/j/e/f/Charlotte-Williams-Jeffers-AR/G...

I posted this reply in wrong place, under new discussions. That's how bad I am at using Geni. Anyway, here was the post.

Hi There. I have very little on Grace, Margaret Grace, Margaret Smith, wife of William Smith, of Owelcotes. In fact I didn't know her name was Margaret until using Geni. My genealogy notebook just say William Smith, of Owlcotes married 'Grace', born 1530, mother of Andrew Smith.

Kinda weird:Relationship Paths
William Smith, of Owlcotes and Margaret Smith are my 12th great grand parents.
Alice Smythe (Townhende), wife of Sir William Smith, is my third cousin 17 times removed.

Dear Private User,
I too have been puzzling over the identity of William Smith, of Owelcotes' wife. As I posted above, the only source that I could find for William was "William Smith, tenant for life of a moiety of Owlecotes now occupied by his son and heir Andrew to whom the reversion belongs, gives Andrew his life interest on his marriage with Susan, daughter of Laurence Waterhouse."
This makes no claims to the name of his wife (Grace, Margaret or otherwise). Would you happen to remember where the information in your genealogy notebook came from? Her supposed lineage here on Geni was, without a doubt, incorrect, and I am very interested in tracking down where claims to her identity originated from.

Dear Tamas Flinn Caldwel-Gilbert,
I'll ask my family since they put it together.

Dear Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert,

I asked my dad about William of Owlcotes. The information in notebook, after Andrew Smith and Olive Pitt (1619), he got off the internet. Those would be John, Andrew Sr and William.
Sorry there isn't more. I'm interested in what you find