Dale C. Rice Maternal links to English Power Familieshttps://www.geni.com/path/Dale-C-Rice+is+related+to+Ralph-Neville-1st-Earl-of-Westmorland?from=6000000013463839522&path_type=blood&to=6000000001069437500

Dale, If you can find a member of this family listed in a peerage who went to America, please present it. You won’t be able to because they didn’t. It would have been noticed by now. :)

I’m sure there are all kinds of collateral relationships that lead to interesting corners.

That makes sense Ms. Erica: In case some of the new volunteers don't know my story, I came here in 2010 seeking help in establishing my family on Geni. The Curators here worked devilishly hard and went from15 to now over 700 on the rice Family Tree cousins to Emund Rice 1594. We are now talking about the Henry Rice who inherited Dynvore estates as part of the connection and my father's assertion in 1978 that Perrot ap Rice 1508 grand son of Sir John Perrot 1527 and Johanna Lovelace Mercer are part that expansive Family. thanks and no bragging is intended as some want to imply...it's simply a matter of verifying my 92 year old fther's story batting 100%. DCR

Welsh: Henry, Harri, Herri

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_(given_name)

In one of the Rice histories I looked at this evening (and can find again if necessary), I did see a wife with maiden name, "Perrot".

Sorry typo Perrot ap Rice 1598.

That most likely refers to Mary Berkley- mother of Sir John Perrot. You can see the blue links on my page if you wish D. Charles Rice on Facebook. it's intended to help others with their family searches and explain why my brothers and sisters look like the paintings by Holbein. DCR

Ancient Planter John Rice in 1621 arrived with wife Mary Rice on the Starr and took 100 acres at or above the first Rapids on the James River. That Ancient planter is is the 4th cousin of Perrot ap Rice 1598 my alleged 7th great grandfather. Which is where the trading post is found near Otter Lake. That date and time and the connection to Pocohauntus/ John Rolfe taking land near by as 1/2 sister/cousins is the kind of coincidence I am looking for. Some may say it's irrelevent I say it matters a lot that family communicated in ways we don't have a record of. John Price of Manovan is where from the Rices of Newton? I don't know...perhaps someone does know. DCR

Re: John Price of Manovan is where from the Rices of Newton? I don't know...perhaps someone does know

I do know.

No relationship.

Dale, I know this might come as a shock - but as one Rice to another, we are “not” all related.

Geni is a vast world tree, you “will” find relationships, and they are interesting to trace out. But when it comes to arrivers to America, we know just about all the direct peerage lines. They are the “gateway ancestors” described in numerous publications (and also, continuously updated to get rid of false genealogies from previous eras).

On Geni we have to be very careful not to lead people astray, and I’m counting on you, Dale, to be part of that effort.

John ap Rice, of Rickeston
Katherine Perrot

Thomas ap Rice

Perrot ap Rice

This must have been the line I was thinking of.

There was *A* trading post near Otter Lake, up in the Blue Ridge - in the 1720s.

Earlier trading posts were established in the general vicinity (to the *southeast*) of what is now Richmond, Virginia, way away to the east and much closer to the coast.

The same individuals *could not possibly* have staffed both.

John Rolfe's plantation was at Varina, southeast of Richmond, across the river from the (eventually unsuccessful) settlement of Henricus (or Henrico City, or various names starting with "Henric-". The Rolfes had nothing to do with Otter Lake - that was about 100 years later and hundreds of miles to the west as the James River squiggles.
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There is such a thing as "Emma Siggins White disease", as I call it after an infamous faux genealogist of the early 20th century. It's the delusion that *all* persons with the same surname *must* be related.

It ain't necessarily so.

Maven take a look at this:

https://archive.org/details/thomasbookgivin00thomgoog/page/n578

It’s also saying the pedigree is Walter > Henry > Henry the writer.

The younger siblings were getting married 1607 ish, but Henry the writer doesn’t finalize his marriage contract with Dame Blanche Lewis until 1631.

So something is wrong with Henry the writer’s Birth date, perhaps.

The Trading post at Otter lake may have had anticednat start up buildings. The story is not coincidental. Perrot ap Rice named as my 7th brought a young native woman to Virginia and traded with the natives. Sorry you don't have paper but you do have DNA and a fully functioning MIND. You don't have to like it but until I see the MT DNA I am going to say it did. Thanks to J.S. who told me how to find the Son of Perrot apRice 1598 as Thomas Price of Liether, and look at his DNA which I did and some keep telling me I didn't. It's your preception that needs to change, I am willing to Abandon this linkage once disproved by DNA but Native American Curators put Thomas Price of Liether, Perrot ap Rice son In the middle of Pughe/ Atkins. And I have linked them on my Page about two months ago. So, Perrot ap Rice1598 is Son of the Fostered son of Sir John Perrot , John Peratt II 1565 son of Robert Dudley 1527 and unknown woman. MBH; I don't give a hoot about your Emma S. White: I have nothing to do with her and I have asked for the best in Scholarship and DNA thinking to make my way. Anything less would be intentional malfeasance and I spent my life protecting the public and children from such persons. Your words are utterly out of line Ms. Helms. Don't smear me with because you don't like the progress we are making. DCR

Lastly: I want you to understand we are speaking of 1639- 1654 MBH, and whenever they found the trading post is irrelevant to that time period....because you can't exclude the years prior to that discovery. Other's say Hooe1 and Neckati were the ones staffing it after 1654...I say my grandfather # 7 became a Quaker and went to Rome with his educated mind and wrote Pamphlets. He had a ship to conduct trade from 1629-1654 when he sold it, according to my father and Pembrookshire journals on line. THis is one giagantic related story if you permit us to find the missing parts. I say it's worth the look.

So Henry Rice the writer’s mother in law built a pretty swank house.

https://museum.wales/stfagans/buildings/castle/

Dale C. Rice

I’m really not up for rehashing poor geography & Chronology for the million & one time.

I’m begging you now: leave Trader Hughes & Virginia out of this discussion. Please.

I spent 16 hours today following up your question and lead. It was a worthwhile query and filled in some blanks in Geni, that’s the “new” research we need to do.

But I seriously cannot and will not revisit the Trading Post c 1710 in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Thank you for understanding and enjoy the picture:

https://www.nps.gov/blri/planyourvisit/otter-creek-james-river-trai...

http://www.dkdonovan.com/familychart.php?personID=I46332&tree=Main This is the sequence I saw about 5 years back. So What have we decided about Henry Rice of Newton? I see this is a personal page and is most likely wrong? What say you.DCR

Who is Henry Rice's Father according to the site I put UP? Why William ap Rice 1522. Is this valid or correct? You have to tell me. 5 years ago I thought it was correct and brought this up because of this family relationship which explains how Henry Rice ended up at Dynvore.

Mildred-Rice-Wanker+is+related+to+Mary-Button?from=6000000021198483511&path_type=blood&to=6000000009803067055

This is my direct linkage to the Button family note they are part and parcel of Griffet ap Rhys ap Gruffed line and therefore part of the Thomas Henry Rice and Henry Thomas Rice Edmund Rice 1594 trio of brothers. What am I supposed to throw away?

https://www.geni.com/path/Mildred-Rice-Wanker+is+related+to+Mary-Bu...

I only brought it up because I get so much guff from some parties here. The Question I posted yesterday or two days ago is the Henry Rice of Newton Mystery. I should note that Burkes Perrage does not list Henry Rice as a son of Katherine Howard. Only Griffeth, Elizabeth, and Agness are listed.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/30527772/henry-rice

Just wondering if Dale has seen this.

Henry Rice, Esq.

George Talbot Rice 3rd Baron Dynevor

Rt. Hon. George Rice

http://www.dkdonovan.com/getperson.php?personID=I46375&tree=Main Is, sadly, mistaken. Notice there are no sources.

The Geni tree is accurate, I believe.

Edward Rice, MP

Griffith Rice, MP

According to my source (cited above),

Sir Walter Rice
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Henry, or Harry, Rice of Newton, Esq., mentioned in this Pedigree, who married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Edward Lewis of the Vanne, in Glamorganshire
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Griffith Rice (inherited the title after brother of Sir Edward died without issue)
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Edward Rice of Newton, Esq., and Lucy, daughter of Piers Dyrs, in Glamorganshire
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George Rice of Newton, Esq., M.P and Cecil, Baroness Dynevor, daughter of William, 1st Earl Talbot, created baron Dynevor for life in 1780
/
George Talbot Rice, Baron Dinevor

https://www.geni.com/discussions/202765?msg=1337198

So there may be a duplicate or two, and a little straightening out to be done on the Rice family tree.

Correction:

Griffith Rice (inherited the title after brother, Sir Edward Rice, died without issue)

Dale C. Rice I’m surprised. Don’t you recognize the disproved old pedigree for Deacon Edmund Rice?

http://www.dkdonovan.com/getperson.php?personID=I46358&tree=Main

After all, it’s “your own Y DNA test” that helped disprove the old false pedigrees. Your John Rice was part of these old stories - and you know from your father it’s not true.

Sir Walter Rice

Walter Rice