Need Curator Assistance With Messed Master Profile Connections

Well that was awful.

I undid several merges; I think the main problem is that Nicholas Gaylord had a wife named Josnna and a sister named Joan; the notes that should have been in the sister’s profile were in the wife’s. And then lots of Joans and Alices got smerged together. And then people fixed things but the fixing was on top of the foundational issues. And then as you discovered, one of the sons ended up married to his half sister.

I think it’s sorted now but please check.

In future, could you not put notes in the Overviews? Putting them in the discussion is easier to deal with and doesn’t need more fixing.

Tagging Charlene Newport and Erica Howton — I unmerged, and remerged, and untangled — as far as I can tell things are now ok, but you might want to look the family over. And please do forgive me if anything got screwed up!

Anne Brannen, yes, it was a mess. Thanks for your work on it.

Sorry about the notes in Overview. I didn't realize that would be a problem. Learning all the time. As for your ending comment about hoping you didn't screw anything up, I seriously don't think anything you could have done could possibly have made it anything but better than it was!

I have looked at how it all is now and it's much, much better, but I still have questions about Alice Alwyn's mother Johanne. Part of the confusion was what is her actual maiden name. It's showing her maiden name now as Brixton but the notes in Alice's profile indicate her mother's maiden name was Newman but I had seen notes before the changes indicating Johanne had married a Newman, wasn't born a Newman. I never could figure out what her maiden name really was. Now Johanne's profile has no notes in it to indicate her marriages, etc. but at least she's not married to her daughter's father-in-law any more! And thank you for sorting out that Sevenoak connection that was on the wrong line!

Your dedication to working on the truly messed up connections is a blessing to all of us descended from those lines! Thanks so very much, Anne.

You need more sourcing to clarify the question.

All I got is : Notes for Johanne Brixton (Newman): [Brøderbund WFT Vol. 12, Ed. 1, Tree #3140, Date of Import: May 24, 2001] Pedigree Chart from Family Search at Farmington Library says: D: 31 aug, 1572Will Proved, P,,England

Re: Johanna Alwyn

And Johanna Alwyn

According to:

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Johanne_Unknown_%288%29

“Johane Brixton, Johane Newman and Johanne Sevenoak are all the same person; maiden name unknown.”

The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record. (New York, New York: New York Genealogical and Biographical Society), 41:185.

Dated Aug 29, 1572; pvd Aug 31, 1572;

Joan Alvyn of Pitmister; names sons: Christopher, William, John & Edmund; daughters: Elizabeth & Mary; to Elizabeth Gaylard and Mary Gaylard daughters of Wm; Residue to son Hugh, executor. Supervisors: Wm Palmer & John Ivery. Witnesses: Robert Manley, Robert Baull & Henry Rewe

The will of Giles Alwyn is attached to profiles:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000042196625427&

I would need to understand this better.

Will of Joan Alvyn 1572

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000042196167571&

Erica Howton, yes, that “Johane Brixton, Johane Newman and Johanne Sevenoak are all the same person; maiden name unknown.” seems to be problematic with folks trying to make her one or the other of those by birth and/or marriage and had her connected to both side of the tree. I don't even see a daughter Alice mentioned in the will. Makes me wonder the couple listed as Alice Alwyn Gaylord's parents are even her parents.

Text of the wills here, be wary of “connections” to America that may have been later disproved.

https://archive.org/details/newyorkgenealog41newy/page/184

Oh, good. Looks like I at least didn't make things worse. Hurrah for the attack of insomnia!

I’m coming close to that conclusion.

Take a look at the life-sketch text here:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LZ59-W7D

Citing (what looks like a dead link)

Anne Brannen You’re dealing in an area with more than one spurious Pedigree to a Colonial Ancestor, who luckily is locked up. So it’s understandable it got confused, and now we can get into some finer points that haven’t been sorted before. All good.

If I was able to clear some of the deadwood, then that's fine. The tangle was amazing, really. Glad y'all can wrassle it further! I will not go observe people who have been dead much longer than this. These guys are so recent! Yikes!

Ok it looks like Joanna “of Sevenoak” married 1) Nicholas Gaylord 2) Giles Alwyn. She wrote her will in 1572 as “Joan Alwyn, of Pitmister” naming her Gaylord children.

“Giles Alwyn, of Pitmister” wrote his will in 1567 naming his Gaylord step children.

It does not seem he had (surviving) children

Now you know how I feel when trying to put my head into 1700s North Carolina. Egads, that was yesterday! :)

- I’m disconnecting Alice Gaylord and renaming her “unknown”

- I’m merging Johanne Newman (Brixton) Alwyn into the real Joanna. I don’t think she existed except in a pedigree report.

Erica, I agree that Alice is probably not connected to the right parents, so that's a good call, in my opinion. When I started on this, Joanna was both Alice's mother AND Alice's husband Hugh's mother, just different fathers for the half-siblings!

Debbie Gambrell the dates have gotten screwy. Can you help resolve data conflicts? If the date isn’t known - it should be “blanked”. Then we can lock this area up. Start with Nicholas Gaylord - look at his timeline. Ignore the French stuff above him for now.

Here’s a webtree Charlene had validated:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/119136/I166/-/individual

Did Nicholas Gaylord / Gaillard exist? Not named in Joan’s will. Notice the name of his wife.

Erica, to be honest, I got bogged down trying to make sense of my direct line and haven't even looked at the siblings, like Nicholas Gaylord / Gaillard, so at this point I know nothing about them. I'll see what I can find out.

Erica, looking at that link Charlene validated, there is no son named Nicholas listed and given that his wife on Geni is Johanne Newman, it looks to me like those two are just more of the overall confusion surrounding Joanne by her many last names.

Erica, my thought on that son Nicholas with a wife named the same as one of his mother's many names is that since are no sources for them and they have no children, it won't hurt to disconnect/delete them as it affects no descendant lines.

http://cybergata.com/roots/11711.htm

I’ll take one more pass as looking for a “died 1617” Nicholas, otherwise I’ll merge them into the real Nicholas & Joan.

Progressing on the other Gaylord’s and they look OK so far. Just The Power Couple needing more massaging.

http://cybergata.com/roots/11710.htm

says Joanna married Hugh Gaylord, son of Nicholas Gaillard and Johanne Numan.600 (Hugh Gaylord was born about 1553 in Pitminster, Taunton Deane, Somerset, England, died in Oct 1614 in Pitminster, Taunton Deane, Somerset, England and was buried on 21 Oct 1614 in Pitminster, Taunton Deane, Somerset, England 600.)

which indicates Hugh's wife's maiden name is unknown BUT it has her as Joanna not as Alice. ?

http://www.mudd.org/gen/pages/gedtohtml/ps01/ps01_051.htm

What is the evidence for Nicholas Gaylord as son of John Antonie Gaylord ?

The registry report has his parents unknown.

Unsourced https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/183105130/joan-brixton has Joan Brixton as only child.

I’m not sure the Cybergata source is great - its from a bad era in American genealogy. I’ll check The Great Migration Project shortly.

Nancy Lopez is citing:

John Harvey Treat, The Treat Family: A Genealogy of the Trott, Tratt, and Treat, Salem, Massachusetts: Salem Press Publishing and Printing Company, 1893, found on HeritageQuest online. Also found at Google Books . http://books.google.com/books?id=qzcEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=titlepage

http://www.mudd.org/gen/pages/gedtohtml/ps01/ps01_051.htm is a good find for dating, and very interesting quote:

“Full extracts from the manorial records are given, translated from the original l Latin. The intriguing aspect is that, although royal descents are relatively common in genealogy, the Sevenoaks were serfs (slaves) and I know of no other documented descent from medieval serfs in any other genealogy.”

That should wake Anne Brannen back up.

This is what I've found about Antoine's children:

Antoine Gaillard...son of Baudouin, saved from the Turks the Seigneur de Ryswyck, who gave him his only daughter, Elizabeth, in marriage. She and Antoine had three children: Baudouin, who died, unmarried, in Paris; Victoire, a nun, and Adrien.

I haven't found an Antoine documented as father of Nicholas. I've found Nicholas mentioned as "In 1312-13, Nicholas Gaillard, whose surname is also recorded as Gaylard" but not connected to any known parents.

I hadn't gotten to checking that far back as yet, so there be more I haven't discovered. I hadn't researched the French line because there was so much uncertainty with what we were already working on.

That Find-a-Grave source says it's quoting this church graveyard:

...citing Saint Peter's Churchyard, Langford Budville, Taunton Deane Borough, Somerset, England ; Maintained by John Wilhite (contributor 48140210) .

Backing up a bit to the Nicholas Gaylords:

http://cybergata.com/roots/11711.ht

A Nicholas "Galiard" was naturalized in England, April 16, 1537, and is stated to have come "from the dominion of the King of France." Another Nicholas "Galyard," perhaps son of the above, also "from the dominion of the King of France," was naturalized April 16, 1540. The record of his naturalization appears with that of the above Nicholas.

The Journal of American History, Volume 12, pp. 557-561