Disambiguating Susannahs (Emory/Fields/Grant/etc)

For Major John 'Jack' Walker, Jr. did you mean Major John 'Jack' Walker, Jr. ?

Not a known partner of Wuttie ‘Susannah‘ Foreman I don’t think?

We just reviewed his family;

John Walker had one child with Elizabeth Lowrey, also named John Walker. He had a son named Carter “Thigh” Walker with an unknown Cherokee woman. He had no daughters.

Her Wikitree doesn’t have the Walker marriage either: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fields-3726

Perhaps there had been a speculation that she was Carter “Thigh” Walker mother?

Re: Susannah Martin

NOT the mother of Bushyhead. There was another Susannah Emory somewhere.

From http://sites.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2/fields.htm

Around 1765 or 1766 he met and married Susannah Emory (b.1750), daughter of
William Emory (d.1770). It is likely they met near Charleston, probably at Goose
Creek. This Susannah Emory was NOT the mother of Bushyhead (b.1758), the son of Captain John Stuart.

A 1766 deed locates Richard Fields Sr. on the Savannah River, on the South
Carolina side, in what became the Abbeville District. [Langley, SC Deeds, III, 305]


By 1770 Richard Fields Jr. was established in the Indian trade with the Creek
Indians of upper Georgia. Although he was married to a powerful Cherokee girl,
the Cherokee trade was over-exploited and unprofitable after the Cherokee War
(1762). After the murder of George Beck and Thomas Jackson by Creek Indians in 1771 in upper Georgia, Richard Fields was part of a group of traders that suggested the Creek Indians be allowed to pay off their debts to traders by transferring land to the traders. Indian Commissioner John Stuart (the father of Bushyhead) rejected the plan, though the governor of Georgia then presented it to the king. [Col Recs GA, Coleman XXVIII Pt 2, 351-361)]

It would be socially impossible for Richard Fields, a proud Englishman, to go to
John Stuart, a proud Scotsman, with this plan if Stuart had fathered a child by
the wife of Fields. It just would not happen. This is one of the more convincing facts toward proving that there were two Susannah Emorys.

From http://sites.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2/AbrahamHembree.htm

(This is a fun read)

The controversy over the most famous Cherokee Emory, Susannah,
will be treated at length then. She “married” Capt. John Stuart in 1757/8. Stuart (1718-1779) was older than William Emory, and he left the Cherokee country for good after narrowly escaping with his life in August 1760 at the fall of Fort Loudon. (He too retired to Charleston.) That Stuart’s Susannah is the daughter of Robert Emory, not William Emory, will be demonstrated more fully later. William’s Susannah was no more than ten years old in 1760.

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So if this is correct - and I haven’t gotten to later - Stuart’s “Cherokee Maiden” was Susannah Ani'gila'h Fields

Children of WILLIAM EMORY and MARY GRANT (Cherokee) are:


i. WILL EMORY b. 1744 Tomatly, Cherokee Nation, North Carolina, d. June
1788 Chota, Cherokee Nation, Tennessee. (Had one known child, Thomas, Long Tom, b.c.1780)

Note: he was known as Long Fellow, Capt. Will, Wauhatchie. Not the same as the
Indian Will who d.c.1758 Wills Knob, Pennsylvania.

The “Indian Will” of Will’s Creek and Will’s Mountain in Bedford County,Pennsylvania,
and the Cumberland Mts. of Maryland was most likely killed in 1758. “Captain Will”
is the one who captured Daniel Boone in Kentucky in 1769/1775/1779. Willstown in Alabama
(Dragging Canoe’s second stronghold) was said to be named for Will Webber, though it is
more likely to be named for our Will. “Halfbreed Will of Naquassee” (NC, 1760) is probably
our Will.


ii. MARY EMORY b. 1746 Tomatly, Cherokee Nation, North Carolina, d.c.
1800 Cherokee Nation, Tennessee.
She m(1) William “Rim” Fawling c.1766 (2 ch. 1766-69); m(2) Ezekiel Buffington c.1770 (6 ch. 1770-80); m(3) Capt. John Martin c.1782 (1 ch. 1782).



iii. ELIZABETH EMORY b. 1748 Tomatly, Cherokee Nation, North Carolina, d. 1781 Cherokee Nation, Georgia.
She m(1) Ezekiel Buffington c.1767 (1 ch.1768?); m(2) Robert Dewes c.1770 (1 ch. 1770-1); m(3) John Rogers c.1772 (5 ch.. 1772-80).


iv. SUSANNAH EMORY b. 1750 Tomatly, Cherokee Nation, North Carolina, d.c. 1796 near Tugaloo, Georgia.
She m(1) Richard Fields c.1765 (7 ch. 1767-78) ; m(2) Capt. John Martin 1781 (4 ch. 1781-88).

Note: Starr confirms the order of daughters: Mary, Elizabeth, Susannah. This makes William’s Susannah an impossibility to be the mother of Bushyhead.

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I know there’s a Starr error about the Martin husband.

http://sites.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2/AbrahamHembree.htm

Family Sheet: John Robert Emory (1727 –1790)

b. 1727 Lincolnshire, England
d. March 1790 buried in Charleston, SC
m. 1743 Susannah Catherine Grant, dau of Ludovic Grant and Elizabeth
(Euighoote).

He was the son of John AMORY and Sarah WILSON (see below). His wife was a daughter
of Ludovic GRANT. She was b.c.1727 Cherokee Nation, Tennessee and d.1769 at Goose
Creek, South Carolina. She is probably the Catherine Emory buried at Saint Philip’s on 22
October 1769.


Child of ROBERT EMORY and SUSANNAH CATHERINE GRANT (Cherokee):

i. SUSANNAH EMORY b. 1744 Tomatly, Cherokee Nation, North Carolina,
d.c. 1765 Cherokee Nation . Her name may have been Susannah Catherine, after her mother, or Susannah Rebecca.
She m(1) JOHN STUART (1718-1779); m(2) JOHN JOLLY.

John Stuart was a politician of Charleston who thought a brief commission as a captain during the building of Fort Loudon on the Tellico River would be helpful. (He had a white wife in Charleston.) He fathered a child with Susannah Emory
and barely escaped with his life from the siege of the fort. John Jolly was a young
soldier from Virginia during the Cherokee War (1760-1761) who assisted the Emory
family. Susannah died (probably of smallpox, possibly killed) and her children were
raised by the tribe. She had two sons: Bushyhead (b.1758/9) and John Jolly
(b.1761/3).

The birthdate of 1750 for her shown in the Martin genealogy cannot be correct.
The earliest contact she would have had with John Stuart was in 1756 and the last contact she had was in August 1760, after Stuart escaped with his life and retired to Charleston. The son she bore him (Bushyhead) was most likely born in 1758 or 1759. Stuart was at the fort 15 Jul 1756 thru 5 Mar 1757 and he may have returned in 1758 for a visit but he was in Charleston for most of 1759, arriving with reinforcements at the fort in late 1759 under perilous, not happy, circumstances. He did not return to Cherokee territory after 1760. (The Bushyhead family was still residing near Tamahli, NC in 1817, 1835 and 1852.)

I will post a lengthy message with the few documented facts, but for starters:
There is ZERO evidence that Ludovic Grant had a daughter named "Susannah" anything. He had one daughter, name unknown but commonly called "Mary," the mother (with Will Emory) of Susannah, Mary, and Elizabeth Emory.

Most of what's posted above is Internet hogwash. All kinds of people have created people, trees, and relationships mostly to connect non-Cherokee people to supposed Cherokee ancestors. Starr made one glaring error in this family, listing Joseph Martin instead of his brother John, but other than that, there is no reason - and no evidence - to disprove the tree he assembled.

Other people simply cannot accept the fact that there is NO DOCUMENTATION for the Cherokee families of any early traders and so they invent theories and ignore what few facts there are.

There is NO contemporaneous record of any of the first three generations of Grants. All died in the 18th century. Several members of the fourth generation are recorded in missionary records, but there are no references to their parents. Most of the fourth generation died before 1850. Emmet Starr’s tree is the first attempt to organize this family and Starr made one major error, including Joseph Martin instead of his brother John as father of Susannah Emory’s children. Starr was getting most of his information from members of the fifth generation. Most trees that deviate from Starr are late 20th century inventions, often created to provide non-Cherokee people with a Cherokee connection. None of the first three Grant generations, or John and Sarah Amory and their children had a middle name.

FACT: Ludovic Grant went to the Cherokee Nation about 1726-1727. He was one of the most prolific correspondents regarding the Cherokee between about 1729 and his death c. 1757, but he never mentioned a wife or children.

According to Emmet Starr, Grant married a Cherokee woman, name unknown, clan uncertain – Starr listed both the Long Hair and the Wolf Clan. Also according to Starr, Grant had one daughter, name unknown. This woman is commonly referred to as “Mary Grant” in Internet trees.

FACT: The Amory family emigrated to America arriving in Georgia in January, 1738 with three children and two servants. Two sons are named, William and John. John’s land grant lists him as a yeoman of Boston, in Lincolnshire. Parish records which may be for this family show a marriage of a John Amory and Sarah Wilson in 1726. Baptisms list four children with parents John and Sarah Amory: John, 1727, Sarah, 1730, William, 1731, and James, 1732 (died 1737).

The Amorys arrived in Georgia in January, 1738, but by November, 1738 they had moved from Georgia to South Carolina [COULTER, ELLIS MERTON, AND ALBERT B. SAYE, editors A List of the Early Settlers of Georgia. Athens, GA: The University of Georgia Press, 1949. 2nd ed., 1967. p. 62] and soon engaged in the Indian trade. Colonial records identify John Amory as an ‘Indian trader” and demonstrate that he and Ludovic Grant were involved in business deals. [www.archivesindex.sc.gov/ search “Amory, John.”] No evidence that the "John Amory" who died in 1740 was the son of John and Sarah (although he might be). After John Sr’s death in 1746 his wife continued in the business, subsequently marrying two other traders.

Some researcher’s claim that son John was actually named “John Robert” and used the name “Robert.” Others claim that he was a soldier who was killed in 1740. There is no supporting evidence for this or that John Amory Sr. fathered children with any Cherokee women.

According to Emmet Starr, son William married Ludovic Grant’s daughter and they were the parents of three daughters. William was likely approximately the same age as Grant’s daughter. Their children were likely born between 1748-1752. There are NO records from this time period which include this family (or any other Cherokee families, for that matter). There are no dates for any of the three sisters, but all started having children in the mid-1760’s. It is widely assumed that the Cherokee man called “Will Emory” was another son of William Emory, mother unknown but Cherokee. No evidence that Mary Grant was his mother. Will’s Town (in Alabama) is NOT named after him.

Susannah is believed to have had children by three white men, John Stuart, Richard Fields, and John Martin. Her first child was born about 1767, her last about 1788.
The story that John Stuart and Susannah Emory had a child “shortly after his arrival at Fort Loudoun” cannot be true since Susannah could not have been older than 10 or 11. Stuart was Indian agent until 1779 so he had plenty of time to father the man known as “Bushyhead,” but of all her children this one is least certain. An 1829 description of Bushyhead says he was a man about 50 years old, a non-English-speaking fullblood, clearly not possible if Susannah and Stuart were his parents. This is a mystery that cannot be solved.

According to Starr, Susannah’s children by Richard Fields were sons John, Richard, George, Thomas, and Turtle and daughters Lucy and Susannah.

Susannah’s children by John Martin were Nannie, John, and Rachel. These three are documented in correspondence from the 1800’s. [Warren, Mary B. & Weeks, Eve, ed. Whites Among the Cherokees. Heritage Papers, Athens GA 1987, Letter from Benjamin Cleveland to Ga. Gov. Gilmer, p. 93]

Elizabeth also had children by two or three white men, Robert Due, John Rogers, and possibly Ezekiel Buffington. Her children were born between about 1767 and 1781. Daughter Jennie Due had children by her step-father, John Rogers, after her mother’s death. Elizabeth’s second daughter was known as Mary Buffington, but Starr attached her as a daughter of Robert Due. Rogers’ children were Charles, Aky, John, James, and Nannie. There were multiple John Rogers in the Cherokee Nation and they cannot be clearly identified/separated.

Mary had children by Rim (Ephraim) Fawling, Ezekiel Buffington, and John Martin. Her children were born between about 1765 and 1785. Her Fawling children were John and William, her one Martin child, Samuel, and by Buffington Elizabeth, Susanna, Anne, Ellis, Mary, and Thomas.

Responding specifically to previous posts:
"Susannah Catherine Emory 1727-1769 Daughter of Ludovic Grant, Indian Agent to Cherokee for SC and “Elizabeth Eughioote Tassel”; Wife of Robert Emory (Hembree). Currently, we have her as the Mother of William Wau-Hat-Chie Emory and Susannah Ani'gila'h Fields (Emory)" [See below].

NO record that either “Susannah Catherine” or “Robert Emory” ever existed.

"Mary Emory 1729-1766 #1's sister Mary, sometimes called into Mary Susannah; Daughter of Ludovic Grant, Indian Agent to Cherokee for SC and “Elizabeth Eughioote Tassel” Wife of William Emory, Indian Trader
Currently, we have her as Wife of William Emory, Indian Trader and the mother of Mary Emory; William Wah Ta O Ga Emory, Jr.; Elizabeth Emory; Susannah Rebecca Emory [see below]; Drewry/Drury Calhoun Hembree; and Abraham Hembree (Emory, Emery)"

NO record of her given name. Most often referred to as “Mary.” Children by William Emory are Susannah, Elizabeth and Mary. Probably NOT the mother of Will Emory. No evidence to connect her to Drewry or Abraham Hembree.

"Susannah Ani'gila'h Fields 1747-1844, should be a daughter to #1 (Susannah Grant and Robert Emory/Hembree). Currently, I don't have any spouse or children for her."

Susannah Emory/Stuart/Fields/Martin had a daughter named Susannah Fields b. abt. 1775 who married George Brewer and Thomas Foreman. The dates make no sense. 1747 is likely the birth year of Susannah Emory. Daughter Susannah was still alive in 1851. James HIcks believes that some of the Fields children Starr listed for Susannah, including daughter Susannah, were children of Richard Fields by a different mother.

"Susannah Foreman daughter of #4 above. 1770s-1851. Daughter of Capt. Richard Fields, Indian Trader and Susannah Rebecca Emory
We have her as Wife of George Brewer; Thomas "Tasgalodigisgi" Foreman and Major John Walker, Sr"

Susannah Fields was not married to any of the three John Walkers.

James Hicks listed a "Susannah Fields" as the first wife of the second John Walker and mother of Carter Thigh Walker. There is ZERO evidence to support this claim. Carter's son George and daughter Amanda stated on their Eastern Cherokee applications that their grandmother was a fullblood Cherokee.

Thank you, Kathryn Forbes

I updated N.N. & Carter Thigh Walker profiles with that comment.

A belated and hearty thanks to you, Kathie Kathryn Forbes. Would you be willing to make corrections and updates regarding these figures (and their relationships, both those that need to be added and those needing deletion) on their profiles?

I am traveling and don’t have my computer, but I will take a look at these folks and fix what I can.

Thank you--whenever you get a chance. ;^)

Ok, not sure what if anything I can do about these folks. There are no actual records from this time period, but it is generally accepted that Ludovic Grant's daughter - whose name is unknown, but often called "Mary" in family trees - had three daughters - Mary, Elizabeth, and Susannah, with William Emory, the son of white trader John Amory. William is believed to also be the father of a son, called Will, by an unknown Cherokee woman. . No middle names. No Catherine.

I have no idea who "Robert Emory" is supposed to be. John Amory had four children - sons John, William, James (died as a small child in England), and daughter Sarah. Parish records from two Lincolnshire villages a few miles from Boston (in Lincolnshire, England where the Amory's lived) record the marriage of John Amory and Sarah Wilson in 1726, and the births of four children, "John son of John , Sarah bap 30 Oct 1727 Great Hale; Sarah d of John and Sarah bap 8 Sept 1730 Great Hale; William s of John and Sarah bap 15 Sept 1731 Great Hale; James s John and Sarah bap 19 sept 1732 Great Hale; James s John and Sarah bur 27 May 1737 Great Hale." When John Amory came to America he travelled with his wife, Sarah Wilson, three children, and two servants. The Amory family is well documented; John died in 1746 in Charleston, SC.

"Robert Emory" and "Catherine" are mythical people who seem to have been invented so people can attach themselves to Cherokee ancestors.

Follow the dna not the paperwork. The connection is not disputable when grounded in dna. Im just saying.

re: follow the DNA ... that only has a bit of a chance to work for Y-DNA; other DNA 'evidence' can only disconfirm proposed "connections" -- it can not prove "connection".

@Disambiguating Susannahs (Emory/Fields/Grant/etc) Thank you for the correction info. This is going to take me a minute but I will be working on it. My profile on Geni does not go back this far but my primary profile on Ancestry does. Please advise me what I need to do on Geni if anything. I am not as familiar with the Geni tree as with other platforms. I can learn. Advise please.

Hi Vanessa Brooks DP713053C1

You want to connect trees as far down (near time) as possible. And feel free to contribute source information and biographies to existing public, historic profiles!

@Disambiguating Susannahs (Emory/Fields/Grant/etc) First let me say I am fairly new at this but I learn quickly. I will not add any information to my tree that does not cite an official "source". Chief Bushyhead has come up multiple times in conversation on multiple platforms. I welcome all constructive criticism and I strive to cite only sourced data. Please do not hesitate to contact me but I will only change a data reference with sourced information. Trust but Verify. Chief Bushyhead's mother is cited and verified in Geni. I will not be changing my data unless the source changes.

@Disambiguating Susannahs (Emory/Fields/Grant/etc)
Hello Erica. Yes I can do that. I wish I could take the disambiguating parts completely out of my tree but I can't because Bushyhead is on my direct line. I need the Susannahs to be spot on and I won't use any data from other people trees that does not cite and contain the source data. If I have any questions I'll reach out. Thanks.