Multiple impossible connections in this area of the tree

John Briggs
Born 1820 Tasmania Australia
Died 1880 Victoria Australia

3 sets of parents
Set 1
* father George William Christopher Lamuel Briggs, {Australian Immigrant} 1788-1837
* mother Woretemoeteyenner / Pung Bung “Margaret”, {Australian Aboriginal} 1797-1847

Set 2
* father Thomas William Johnson, Convict "Asia" 1823 1806-1867
* mother Dalrymple Mountgarret "Dolly" Baker - Thompson - Johnson 1808-1864

Set 3
* father not listed
* mother Worretemoetennyer born 1719

3 wives
* Truganini Lallah Rookh 1812-1876 (has tree conflicts)
* Ann Briggs
* Louisa Esmai Briggs (has tree conflicts)

children
* 1836 Louisa Esmai Briggs (tree conflicts)
* 1853 John Briggs, Jnr
* 1855 Henry Briggs
* 1856 Sarah Barklay
* 1857 Elizabeth Charles - Campbell
* 1861 William Briggs
* 1864 Margaret Maggie Kerr
* 1866 Mary “Polly” Edwards
* 1868 Caroline Aulton
* 1871 Charlotte Briggs
* 1871 Ellen “Ann” Briggs, Infant

What evidence is there for these connections?

http://ia.anu.edu.au/biography/woretemoeteryenner-29701

Woretemoeteryenner (aka Pung, Bung, Margaret)
* born 1795 Tasmania, Australia
* died 1847 Tasmania, Australia
* father Mannalargenna
* sisters Wapperty (Wobberretee), Wottecowidyer and Teekoolterme
* married George BRIGGS {Australian Sealer arrived 18105 age 14)
* daughter 1812 Dalrymple "Dolly" BRIGGS married Thomas JOHNSON
* daughter 1817 Eliza (died young)
* daughter 1818 Mary / Margaret (died young)
* daughter 1819 (died young)
* son 1820 John BRIGGS marrie dLouisa STRUGNELL
1820 George BRIGGS "sold" her to another sealer
married Philip NOOWERER

I have detached Dalrymple Mountgarret "Dolly" Baker - Thompson - Johnson and Thomas William Johnson, Convict "Asia" 1823 as the parents of John Briggs

She is his sister not his mother

I have detached Worretemoetennyer as the mother of John Briggs as she was 101 when he was born

Louisa Esmai Briggs
is on Geni with
* born 1836 Tasmania, Australia
* died 1925 NSW, Australia

4 sets of parents
Set 1 - John Briggs 1820-1880 and Truganini Lallah Rookh 1812-1876
Set 2 - John Strugnell, Convict "Surry" 1819 born 1801 and Mary "Polly" Strugnell
Set 3 - John Strugnell, Convict "Surry" 1819 born 1801 and Truganini Lallah Rookh 1812-1876
Set 4 William “King Billy” Lanne / Lanney and Truganini Lallah Rookh 1812-1876

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/trugernanner-truganini-4752

Truganini Trugernanner aka Lallah Rookh
born 1812
died 1876
father Mangerner
1829 married Woorraddy
lived with Aborigine Alphonso until October 1847
died 8 May 1876 age 64

https://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/T/Tr...

Truganini / Trugernanner / Trukanini / Trucanini aka Lalah Rookh
born1812
died 1876
married Woorady c1829, he died in 1839

https://www.womenaustralia.info/biogs/AWE1098b.htm
Truganini / Lalla Rookh, Turcanini, Trugernanner, Trukanini
born 1812
died 1876
father Mangana
married Woorrady

https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcrip...
Truganini / Truccanini / Traucanini / Trugernanner / Lalla Rookh / Lallah Rookh
born 1812
died 8/5/1876
daughter of Mangerner
married Woorraddy in July 1829 (he died 1839)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini#cite_note-11
Truganini / Trugernanner, Trugernena, Truganina, Trugannini, Trucanini, Trucaminni,[a] and Trucaninny / Lalla Rookh / Lallah Rookh
born 1812
died 8/5/1876
father Mangana
married 1829 Woorrady (he died 1839)

had a child Louisa Esmai with John SUGNOW who later married John BRIGGS
* Sources attached dispute her being the mother of Louisa "According to the Australian Dictionary of Biography, Louisa Briggs was probably the daughter of Doog-by-er-um-boroke, a Woiorung woman kidnapped from Port Phillip by sealers"

later married William LANNE "King Billy"
* Sources attached - A royal lady - Trucaminni, or Lallah Rookh, the last Tasmanian aboriginal, has died of paralysis, aged 73. She was Queen Consort to King Billy, who died in March 1871, and had been under the care of Mrs Dandridge, who was allowed £80 annually by the Government for maintenance." The Times, Thursday, 6 July 1876; pg. 6; Issue 28674; col D

I have detached John Briggs and Truganini Lallah Rookh as the parents of Louisa Esmai Briggs

Louisa married John BRIGGS - she is not his daughter

There is currently no evidence that John Briggs had a relationship with Truganini Lallah Rookh - I will detach their marriage

https://library.pmi.net.au/fullRecord.jsp?recno=45

This story covers the movements as they leave Preservation Island for mainland Victoria of the family of John Briggs, a half-caste Tasmanian aborigine and his two wives, Ann Munro, a stolen full blood native from Port Phillip, and her neice, Louisa Strugnall a half-caste, the daughter of her sister (name unknown) also stolen together with their mother and sold to Straitsmen James Munro and John Strugnall.

http://ia.anu.edu.au/biography/briggs-louisa-12816
Louisa STRUGNELL
born 14 November 1836
died 6 September 1925
father John STUGNELL Convict
mother Mary Polly MUNRO - daughter of James MUNRO and Doog-by-er-um-boroke / Margery
married John BRIGGS, who had previously been married to her aunt Ann MUNRO

Truganini Lallah Rookh is on Geni with
* born 1812
* died 1876

3 sets of parents
Set 1 - JJohn "Long Alan Tom" “Long Tom” Thomas, Free Settler “Sydney” 1806, Sealer and Woretemoeteyenner / Pung Bung “Margaret”, {Australian Aboriginal}
Set 2 - Manganna / Mangana / Mangerna / Mangerner, {tribal leader - Bruny Island} and Pagerly / Tuererningher
Set 3 - Manganna / Mangana / Mangerna / Mangerner, {tribal leader - Bruny Island} and Ouray Ouray

7 spouses
* Woorrady
* Parraweena
* William “King Billy” Lanne / Lanney
* Alphonso
* Droyyerloinne Nuenonne Peter Brune
* John Strugnell, Convict "Surry" 1819
* John Briggs

What evidence supports these parents and spouses?

https://gw.geneanet.org/alisontassie?lang=en&p=truganini+lallah...
Truganini
* father Mangerner
* mother Ouray Ouray
married Woorrady 1784-1842 and had 2 children
* Droyyerloinne "Peter Brune" Nuenoone died 1843
* Myyunge "Maiki David Brune" Nuenoon
married Alphonso
married Killy Billy

Droyyerloinne Nuenonne Peter Brune is not the husband of Truganni, she is his son

Parraweena was going to marry Truganini's but was killed before they married

Woretemoeteyenner / Pung Bung “Margaret”, {Australian Aboriginal} is on Geni with
* born 1797
* died 1847

* father Mannalargenna / Marnalagenner, Australian Aboriginal - Plangermaireener nation 1776-1835
* mother Tanleebonenneyer / Tanleeboneyer / Tanley-bonyer, {Australian Aboriginal} 1771-1835
* mother 2 Private born 1873

Woretemoeteyenner / Pung Bung “Margaret”, {Australian Aboriginal} born 1797 cannot be the daughter of someone born 1873 - I will detach Private

Mannalargenna / Marnalagenner, Australian Aboriginal - Plangermaireener nation is on Geni with
* born 1776
* died 1835

4 wives
* Private born 1873
* Tanleebonenneyer / Tanleeboneyer / Tanley-bonyer, {Australian Aboriginal} 1807-1835
* {first wife of Mannalargenna} no dates
* Tanleebonenneyer / Tanleeboneyer / Tanley-bonyer, {Australian Aboriginal} 1771-1835

children
* born 1791 Wobberrertee / Wappity/Wapperty, {Australian Aboriginal}
* born 1797 Woretemoeteyenner / Pung Bung “Margaret”, {Australian Aboriginal}
* born 1808 Wottecowidyer “Harriet”, {Australian Aboriginal}
* born 1900 Private
* born 1900 Private
* no date Wobberrertee / Wappity/Wapperty, {Australian Aboriginal}
* no date Woretemoeteyenner / Pung Bung “Margaret”, {Australian Aboriginal}
* no date Wobberrertee / Wappity/Wapperty, {Australian Aboriginal}
* no date Neerhepeererminer
* no date Wobberrertee / Wappity/Wapperty, {Australian Aboriginal}
* no date Neerhepeererminer
* no date Wobberrertee / Wappity/Wapperty, {Australian Aboriginal}
* no date Teekooltermee / Nimerana (Black Betty) Pakana, {Tasmanian Aboriginal}
* no date Wobberrertee / Wappity/Wapperty, {Australian Aboriginal}

Someone born 1776 cannot be the father of children born 1900

Someone who died in 1835 cannot be the spouse of someone born 1873

Tanleebonenneyer / Tanleeboneyer / Tanley-bonyer, {Australian Aboriginal} is on Geni with
* born 1807
* died 1835

2 sets of parents

Set 1
* father John Brown/ Dobson
* mother plownemme aboriginal.

Set 2
* father Terpolle
* mother Minermannerme aboriginal. born 1800

Need to remove Parents: John (Long Alan Tom) Thomas, Aborigine (1774 - 1860) & Nimerana / Nimeranna Woretemoeteyenner Pung Bung Margaret Briggs - Thomas (1797 - 1847) from Truganini Lallah Rookh... almost all sources say that she was the daughter of King Mangana, and was documented in newspapers of the day.
Oura Oura was said to be so closely related to truganini that they think that she is her mother but arent certain all that is truly known is that her mother was killed when they were attacked. I am currently trying to update some profiles with sources.
Kind regards - ara

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/69037124?searchTerm=king...

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23592374#

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I am unable to assist with the sources for most of these extra connections as I was only added as a manager by another manager, most of my own information is based on books by Lyndall Ryan, original texts from Oyster cove and documents from the archives. I can help with documents but I believe most of the acceptable ones have been added.

What I have is different, Nicermenic {first wife of Manganna} I believe was male, the book says... "The man, Nicermenic, fled when he was suspected of assisting his compatriots to raid stockhuts,", he is the aboriginal man that Fanny Cocherane claimed as her father, husband of Sarah (Tib) and he is the father of Adam

Hi ara Gadd, there are still a lot of impossible connections on these profiles. What might be needed is to review each one, add sources for the connections, disconnect the unsourced ones and then lock the profiles to stop unsourced profiles being added again.

Hi Leanne, I am endeavouring to assist you in this area (without removing as I dont feel comfortable removing other peoples work as it causes argument in some cases), this one (Nicermenic) is something I have gone over and over, I added all I could to the other profile to show why I have added him as a male (Adams father), without breaching copyright, and some of the old texts are offensive, or graphic. I know im slow at adding these sources but I am triple checking everything before i post to the public view and then i go back later and check and re check so, very slow at it. I wont add sources to a profile if the profile information is drastically different to save chaos and confusion but when I am certain, ive been putting notes in discussion. There are many profiles I would like to correct with sourced material but they are so dramatically different, i cannot add anything, Ive had posts removed and been shunned by family for trying to correct false information, hence why i do it this way.

This is the other Nicermenic profile I added sources to so you are able to review. Nicermenic (Eugene)

I mentioned in another discussion that there is a woman with a similar name, and there is another with a name that has the same ring to it but i worry that even mentioning these will cause them to be more impossible connections. I really dont think either one is Truganinnis mother. As far as I knew, her name is unknown and we only know her story through Truganinni, who referred to her simply as "my mother". I don't have a name for her mother in my tree for this reason so cannot offer an alternative that isn't impossible or just plucked out of theories.