Additional Information ... This is long and some of it may be a lot of meaningless numbers, but who knows, maybe someone will have a new angle for us to follow. As some of you that read long posts may know, I discovered that the person I knew as my maternal grandfather who was more or less my best friend (other than my wife) was not my mom's Bio Dad. Through lots of hard work we (Mostly my wife) found out who my Bio grandfather was. She found a couple of living half siblings of my deceased mom that DNA tests proved were my half aunt and half uncle. Then the irony fell on us. I had been trying to use DNA to help break the brick wall at my mom's grandfather (not my line now) when I tested my cousin who genetically speaking became my half cousin. Now my new great grandfather was at the end of the line, another brick wall. A Sullivan from Williston, Levy County, FL was the informant on his DC. (All our Sullivans we now believe came from Ludowici in Liberty/Long County, Georgia on their way to Florida) We could find no connection from our family to R.L., Rufus Lester Sullivan or his family at that time. This informant gave my great grandfather a father on his DC, a "J.B. Sullivan", but listed no mother. We could not find anyone anywhere that was a J.B. Sullivan that could be his father. My new uncle did a Y DNA test for us with FamilytreeDNA (We ended up upgrading all the way to the Big Y test) as well as the Ancestry Autosomal DNA test. Turns out he has a private SNP that he shares with 3 other people who have tested all the way to Big Y, he is the only Sullivan. Even at only Y 111 he is the only Sullivan. You have to go all the way down to Y 25 to find even a distant Sullivan in the list. There was however a Price that was still in there at the big Y and part of the private SNP, as well as other Prices at the Y 111 level that have not yet tested all the way to the Big Y, and our autosomal DNA was leading towards a Price family from Liberty/Long County, Georgia. My AWESOME wife was once again on the case and Identified a generation of this family that my great grandfather should have resulted from. One Price son in this generation married a Sullivan and I match their descendants at an above average cM level. From the spacing of their children and the fact that my great grandfather probably should have been a Price, but instead was a Sullivan seemed to leave this family off the direct line. It looked like it should be a brother of the Price and a sister of the Sullivan in that particular marriage with a relationship that resulted in an MPE. My new uncle and aunt, all of the post Sullivan connections and I tie to these Price and Sullivan lines and all allied the allied families that have shown up with DNA connected descendants. This is a list of the DNA connections that can be found to my uncle through the father of the Price son and the father of the Sullivan daughter in the marriage that seems to be peripheral to our theoretical MPE that changed Price to Sullivan. They all seem to be a "flavor" of 3rd cousin. Do the following numbers and the fact that they match all of us in some degree tend to mean we are on the right track? We tried testing the descendant of our theoretical Sullivan daughter (My theoretical great great grandmother, also my uncle's theoretical great grandmother) who in the handwriting of a niece of my theoretical great great grandmother, had a son with the first name of my great grandfather that no one really knows about. The DNA test was inconclusive. She is definitely kin, but the numbers are low (As they very well could be at that level of second Cousin 56 cM over 3 segments with my uncle, 52 cM over 3 segments with my aunt, 28 cM over 3 segments with my brother, 22 cM over 2 segments with me) This may not be be the best way to post the following numbers, in the end they may really mean nothing. Here they are ... cM/segments, any combination with a number in () means there was more than one of those combinations ...
Shared DNA Numbers for Lewis Price Descendants with DNA Connections to my half uncle
3rd Cousin
243/14 | 147/10 | 26/3 | 23/2
3rd Cousin 1x
130/8 | 87/3 | 77/3 | 71/4 | 53/4 | 52/3 | 41/3 | 37/4 | 35/4 | 33/3 | 29/2 | 28/2 (2) | 28/1 | 27/2 | 26/2 | 20/2 (2) | 19/1 | 15/2 | 13/1 | 12/1 (2) | 10/1 | 9/1 |
3rd Cousin 2x
86/3 | 54/3 | 49/2 | 46/3 | 25/2 | 22/2 | 21/2 | 19/2 | 18/2 | 16/1 (2) | 15/2 | 14/1 2 | 13/2 | 13/1 | 9/1 2 | 8/1 3 |
3rd Cousin 3x
24/2 | 16/1 | 14/1 | 8/1 |
1/2 3rd Cousin
181/6 | 76/7 | 49/4 | 39/3 | 27/2 | 19/2 | 16/1 |
1/2 3rd Cousin 1x
85/4 | 73/4 | 68/4 | 59/3 | 52/2 | 46/2 | 41/2 | 41/1 | 40/3 | 38/2 | 35/3 | 34/3 | 34/2 | 34/1 (2) | 30/2 (2) | 25/2 | 19/1 | 18/1 | 17/1 | 16/2 | 16/1 (2) | 14/1 | 14/2 | 13/2 | 15/2 | 13/1 | 12/1 | 9/1 | 8/1 (2) | 6/1 |
1/2 3rd Cousin 2x
61/4 | 55/4 | 53/4 | 43/3 | 41/3 | 36/2 (2) | 35/3 (2) | 34/1 | 31/3 | 30/2 | 29/1 | 28/2 (2) | 24/1 | 22/1 (2) | 21/2 | 20/2 | 19/2 | 18/2 | 17/1 | 17/2 | 16/1 (2) | 15/2 | 15/1 | 14/1 (3) | 13/2 | 13/1 (2) | 12/2 | 12/1 (2) | 11/1 (4) | 10/1 (2) | 9/1 (5) | 8/1 (5) | 7/1 (6) | 6/1 |
1/2 3rd Cousin 3x
60/5 | 32/1 | 30/2 | 28/2 | 28/1 | 26/1 | 20/2 | 20/1 | 16/1 | 9/1 | 8/1 | 7/1 (2) |
Shared DNA Numbers for Martin Sullivan Descendants with DNA connections to my half uncle
3rd Cousin
243/14 * This one descends from the Price/Sullivan marriage mentioned above and is in the matches with Lewis Price Descendants and was also listed above | 147/10 * This one also descends from the Price/Sullivan marriage mentioned above and is in the matches with Lewis Price Descendant and was also listed above | 97/5 | 62/4 | 36/2 | 31/3 | 26/1 | 14/1 |
3rd Cousin 1x
146/4 | 130/8 * This one also descends from the Price/Sullivan marriage mentioned above and is in the matches with Lewis Price Descendants and was also listed above | 97/5 | 62/4 | 36/2 | 31/3 | 26/1 | 14/1 |
3rd Cousin 2x
60/4 | 37/3 | 31/1 | 16/1 | 14/1 | 11/1 |
3rd Cousin 3x
11/1
If you have read all of this and actually understand my crazy way of presenting our theory with what appears to be supporting DNA evidence and the DNA behind it, what do you think? Are we on the right track? Did we miss an important clue? Do you have any idea of how we might proceed from here, other than simply wait on the right person to test. Are we so far back that DNA is only going to give us a road to follow, but the actual stop we need is never going to have a sign out front?
Interesting fact that my wife found. The Price son that we identified as the most probable father of my great grandfather was accused of murdering his uncle, his mother's brother (a Peacock) around the time that my great grandfather would have been conceived. We thought that this threw him out, but there was too little evidence and the case was thrown out. Was this the circumstance that killed any possibility of marriage? (If our theory is correct ...) Was he looking for money for his new family by robbing his uncle? Or was he really innocent, but the stigma followed him around and he could not marry his Sullivan girl. It appears that whoever the mother was, she gave the baby to a brother to raise as his own and that is how Price became Sullivan. I can write a story, but do the facts line up?
BTW... Rufus Lester Sullivan from Williston, Levy County, FL (the informant on my great grandfather's DC) was the son of a brother of the Sullivan daughter that we theorize is the mother of my great grandfather. (They were son and daughter of Martin Sullivan and Mary Boyle of Liberty/Long County, Georgia. This makes Rufus Lester Sullivan the grandson of Martin Sullivan and Mary Boyle) Coincidence? In our theory, my great grandfather would have also been a grandson of Martin Sullivan and Mary Boyle as well as Lewis Price and Sarah Peacock all of Liberty/Long County, Georgia.
Thanks for reading,
Jim
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