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Alice Knott (Longe) - Who are the correct parents?

Started by Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A" on Friday, September 25, 2020

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Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A"

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Linda Himmelhaver

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Erica Howton

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Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c)

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Debbie Gambrell

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Alice Knott

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Barnard Knott

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Henry Longe, III, of Whaddon

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Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A"

9/25/2020 at 7:24 PM

Hi Keri. I just saw your message regarding Alice longe Knott. Yes she is my 10th great grandmother. I am sorry everyone gets so upset. I have searched and searched and maybe it is a waste of time. I have several Longe/Long DNA and they all have different parents for Alice Longe Knott ie.. Alice Longe Russell, Henry Longe 1611, John Longe 1550. If you can help in anyway I would be grateful. I have been looking 8 years and also had a geneologist help me with her resources. I don't want to do a tree and not have correct info that is why I was looking for evidence IF anyone knows and not guessing. That is all I am asking for.

If you can help that would be awesome. Maybe we are related then...
Linda Himmelhaver

If your Alice had different parents and husband then by all means add her and them to the tree if they do not already exist. I have discovered that if it turns out they don't exist or are wrong they can be fixed. :)

Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A"

I have no idea whom her parents are. A needle in the haystack. She was married to Barnard Knott. I have the Knott tree all the way down to my grandmother as she was a Knott. Even my DNA cousins don't know which one is correct so everyone just puts one they think. like I said before there are at least three or more as Alice Longe was common back then. Which Alice Knott are you related to and show?

I have already done several hundred pages on the Alice with Henry as her father but NO PROOF which is irritating. I also have read Cheryl Nicols books "Inheriting the Earth" regarding the Longe 500 year reign of England.

If you have any idea whom it is please let me know. It makes me mad I pay ancestry and they have access to records that I don't have and I keep paying. My great Uncle is one of the founding fathers of the Mormon religion who are tied into Ancestry.

So if Alice Longe is your 12th GGM, whom do you think are her parents? I wish Henry Longe since that is what I originally have.

Thanks, Linda
Linda Himmelhaver

Hey Linda,

I have transferred the conversation over to a discussion so that maybe we can get an answer for you . This is the Alice that is my 12th ggm to answer your question. I believe this to be correct but I am posting our discussion for feedback and help. :)

Keri

Linda Himmelhaver

9/26/2020 at 4:41 PM

okay thank you. So we are on the same page as our 10th and 12th great grandmother. Would love to know the answer if at all possible.

Erica Howton C

9/26/2020 at 7:55 PM

Henry's Will of 1611 [2] mentions his sons Henry, Robert, William and Thomas; 5 daughters unnamed (but among them are 4 surnamed Allen, Lovibond, Martin, Chafyn); brother [in-law] Yarbery; and some grandchildren.

Referring to Henry Longe, III, of Whaddon

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The Will is available but even just from that snippet, I don’t see that Alice Knott was known as his daughter.

Erica Howton C

9/26/2020 at 8:02 PM

Her parents are “not known” by medieval genealogists at this query 2 years ago:

https://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/MoiDF2AK/alice-longe-bor...

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Post by Vance Mead
Lancat is now working. These are the details of the will of Alice Knott. Ashton-under-Lyne is also near Manchester, so possibly this is the same person as in Tonge in 1629.
Lancashire Archives
Archdeaconry of Chester Probate Records
25 Feb 1636
Testator: Alice Knott, widow, of Barkehouse, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancs
Will, inventory
http://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/calmview/
Glad that you were able to get access. I'm still not able to - perhaps you were connected to a different server.

Quite often, researchers seem to ignore inventories, even though these can provide really valuable information; so the OP should make sure that she's got that as well as the will.

Linda Himmelhaver

9/27/2020 at 5:46 PM

Erica Howton if you can access Alice Knott's will please that would help. I have not been able to access it. Her husband Barnard Knott died in 1629. I have no idea how to access this. Thank you. Would love to see a copy of it.

Erica Howton C

9/27/2020 at 6:30 PM

It would need to be purchased, if you are interested.

This is the catalog record:

https://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmV...

Item
Reference number WCW/Infra/C1331A/10
Title Archdeaconry of Chester Probate Records
Date 25 Feb 1636
Description Testator's name: Alice Knott
Occupation/status: widow
Place: Barkehouse Ashton-Under-Lyne
Contents: will, inventory
Access This material is available to view at Lancashire Archives. See our website or contact us for more details.
AccessStatus Open
Get a copy If you want to receive a quote for a copy of this item please complete our online form and quote the reference number above

https://lccsecure.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/questionnaires/runQue...

Erica Howton C

9/27/2020 at 6:32 PM

This is the Tonge record the medievalists thought referred to the same Alice Knott:

https://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmV...

Reference number QSB/1/63/21

1629 - TONGE -- Alice Knott, widow, and Marie and Jane Knott, spinsters, to keep the peace to Abraham and Margery Ogden and Sarah Bewsicke

Erica Howton C

9/27/2020 at 6:36 PM

That death location does not resonate with Barnard Knott of Suffolk. I would be skeptical it’s the same Alice Knott.

Erica Howton C

9/27/2020 at 6:39 PM

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) You uploaded a beautiful baptism record I cannot read parents on - https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000122736200832 ... do you recall ? Do you know the place and date to add to profile?

Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A"

9/27/2020 at 6:54 PM

It looks last name on that list is either Ronny Longe or Henry Longe and then looks like Glory of ________ . Hey that is what it looks like to me.

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) C

9/28/2020 at 8:54 PM

Erica Howton, The best I can tell Keri is correct. It's very hard to read, isn't it!!

Erica Howton C

9/28/2020 at 9:06 PM

Is this the source information?

Baptism 8-24-1582 St Peter, Saint Albans, Hertfordshire, England. Citation Information

Source Information TitleEngland, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975AuthorAncestry.comPublisherAncestry.com Operations, Inc.Publisher Date2014Publisher LocationProvo, UT, USA

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Also, do you see my point about the Lancashire widow in 1636 seeming unlikely? The Knott spinsters in 1629 would be that Alice’s sisters in law, I would think - and Lancashire is a long way from Suffolk.

Debbie Gambrell

5/5/2022 at 10:33 PM

Is Barnard Knott connected to the correct parents?

Asking because the father connected shows born in England but died in Maryland and the mother connected shows born in England but died in Virginia and yet Barnard is listed as born and died in England.

I haven't found much documentation on his connections. His Wiki page lists his father as James who was born and died in England and no mother listed:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Knott-390

Thanks in advance for any clarification.

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