Zerubbabel 3rd Exilarch / זרובבל - Zrubavel wasn’t Shaltiel’s “Biological son”

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המלבי"ם דברי הימים א פרק ג, פסוק יט הביא את המחלוקת: הרד"ק סובר שזרובבל היה בנו של פדיה, נכדו של שאלתיאל ונינו של יהויכין. הראב"ע סובר שהיה בנו של פדיה ונכדו של יהויכין. ושאלתיאל היה אחיו של פדיה ומת ללא בנים וייבם פדיה את אשתו ונולד מכך זרובבל. לכן ייוחס לדודו [-המת, שעל פי התורה הבן הנולד מן היבום "יקום על שם אחיו המת ולא ימחה שמו מישראל". דברים כה-ו]. ומאידך הראב"ע על חגי א-א כתב שכונה זרובבל 'בן שאלתיאל' מפני ששאלתיאל גידלו כבנו.

B”H
Im not suggesting to change the tree being that there’s an argument amongst the meforshim (biblical commentaries) if he was Pedia’s son, Shaltiel’s grandson, and Yoyachin’s great-grandson (Rav Meir Leibush Weiser - Malbim). According to Abraham ibn Ezra he was son of Pedia, grandson of Yoyachin, Shaltiel being Pedia’s brother; since he married his brother’s childless widow through the Mitzvah of Yibum he is considered Shaltiel’s son “The firstborn son whom she bears will then perpetuate the name of the dead brother, so that his name will not be obliterated from Israel" — Deuteronomy 25:5-6, alternatively, Shaltiel raised his nephew and is therefore called his son.

Sorry both opinions are brought down in the Malibm but the first opinion is oth the Radak https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111880/jewish/Rabbi-....

I am not seeing the whole conversation here!

Yehoshua Aharon Hershkowitz,
I don't really have any real preference to which version we use (although not using Yibum to explain it appears neater). I supposed the tree could show BOTH version if we have Zerubbabel ADOPTED by Pedia, in addition to being son of Shaltiel.

Looking at this part of the tree recently, I found that there are 2-3 DIFFERENT Zerubbabel all closely related. From people adding and PARTIALLY merging duplicate copies of these lines.

If you/we can reach a decision on how to arrange his father(s), I will clean it all up, and LOCK it to prevent further changes.

It would be really nice if people would NOT be constantly duplicating the tree and making a mess. I'm constantly working to fix things instead of improving the profiles.

They isolated off the bishop of Mez which my dad has the proper genealogy information going back to king Clovis I king of the franks to the mérovingiens and also theirs the hidden genealogy of Yeshua and Mary Magdalene what laurance Gardner talks about in his part 1 and part 2 on the holy grail bloodline he has it in a book form aswell and I think his research is accurate I looked closely at his genealogy chart he made how king Clovis I king of franks traces back to Yeshua and Mary Magdalene all the way to Zerubbabel to king David of Israel

my geneology information from what i was give is as follows i am a descendant of King David also if u havent looked into Laurance gauthers book he goes into great detail https://youtu.be/3IlCPB1TZ_c
my geneology line is as follows:
David King Of Judah And Israel 1000-970
96th great-grandfather
Solomon King Of Israel And Judah 968-926
Son of David King Of Judah And Israel
Rehoboam Roboam King Of Judah 928-911
Son of Solomon King Of Israel And Judah
Abijah Abia King Of Judah 911-908
Son of Rehoboam Roboam King Of Judah
Jehoshaphat King Of Judah 868-851
Son of Abijah Abia King Of Judah
Jeboram Joram King Of Judah 851-843
Son of Jehoshaphat King Of Judah
Ahaziah King Of Judah 843-
Son of Jeboram Joram King Of Judah
Joash King Of Judah
Son of Ahaziah King Of Judah
Amaziah King Of Judah 799-785
Son of Joash King Of Judah
Uzziah Oziah King Of Judah 785-742
Son of Amaziah King Of Judah
Ahaz Achaz King Of Judah
Son of Uzziah Oziah King Of Judah
Hezekiah Hezkias King Of Judah
Son of Ahaz Achaz King Of Judah
Manasseh Manasses King Of Judah
Son of Hezekiah Hezkias King Of Judah
Amon Amots King Of Judah
Son of Manasseh Manasses King Of Judah
Josiah Josias King Of Judah
Son of Amon Amots King Of Judah
Jehohaz King Of Judah 609-
Son of Josiah Josias King Of Judah
Jechoniah Jehoiakin King Of Judah Hostage In Babylon
Son of Jehohaz King Of Judah
Shealtiel Salathiel
Son of Jechoniah Jehoiakin King Of Judah Hostage In Babylon
Zorobabel Zerubbabel Prince of Judah
Son of Shealtiel Salathiel
joanna johannan
Daughter of Zorobabel Zerubbabel Prince of Judah
Mattathias I Arama
Son of joanna johannan
maath
Son of Mattathias I Arama
Nagge
Son of maath
Esli
Son of Nagge
Naum
Son of Esli
Amos
Son of Naum
Mattathias II Temple Governor Tobias
Son of Amos
Joseph Temple Governor
Son of Mattathias II Temple Governor Tobias
Janna Johanan
Daughter of Joseph Temple Governor
Melchi Head of the sanhedrin Council
Son of Janna Johanan
Matthan
Son of Melchi Head of the sanhedrin Council
Jacob Patriatch
Son of Matthan
Joseph
Son of Jacob Patriatch
Jesus The Messiah NaN-73
Son of Joseph
Sarah NaN-69
Daughter of Jesus The Messiah
Queen Boudicca of the Celtic Iceni
Daughter of Sarah
King Coel I of Cama-lot Colchester
Son of Queen Boudicca of the Celtic Iceni
Llieffer Mawr King Lucius 170-
Son of King Coel I of Cama-lot Colchester
Eurgen
Son of Llieffer Mawr King Lucius
Catheloys Castellors
Son of Eurgen
Manael FRANKS
Son of Catheloys Castellors
TITUREL FRANKS
Son of Manael FRANKS
Frimutel
Son of TITUREL FRANKS
Boaz Anfortas
Son of Frimutel
Frotmund
Son of Boaz Anfortas
Faramud Lord of west Franks
Son of Frotmund
Fredemundus sire of the Franks
Son of Faramud Lord of west Franks
Prince Nascien I of the SEPTIMANIA
Son of Fredemundus sire of the Franks
Celedoin SEPTIMANIA
Son of Prince Nascien I of the SEPTIMANIA
Nascien II of the SEPTIMANIA
Son of Celedoin SEPTIMANIA
Chilpéric II, king of the Burgundians 450-493
Son of Nascien II of the SEPTIMANIA
Chlotilde 466-545
Daughter of Chilpéric II, king of the Burgundians
King Theuderic I Of Austrasia
Son of Chlotilde
King Theodebald D’Austasie
Son of King Theuderic I Of Austrasia
Carloman Of Landen
Son of King Theodebald D’Austasie
Pepin I Of Landen
Son of Carloman Of Landen
Begue Begge Of Landen
Daughter of Pepin I Of Landen
Pepin II The Fat Of Heristal
Son of Begue Begge Of Landen
Charles Martel King of the Franks
Son of Pepin II The Fat Of Heristal
Pepin III The Short King of the Franks
Son of Charles Martel King of the Franks
Charlemagne King of the Franks 748-814
Son of Pepin III The Short King of the Franks
Pepin, King of Italy 777-810
Son of Charlemagne King of the Franks
Bernard of Italy
Son of Pepin, King of Italy
Pippin Comte de Senlis, Peronne and St.Quintin 815-850
Son of Bernard of Italy
Herbert I of Vermandois 850-
Son of Pippin Comte de Senlis, Peronne and St.Quintin
Herbert II of Vermandois
Son of Herbert I of Vermandois
Robert of Vermandois
Son of Herbert II of Vermandois
Adele of Meaux 934-982
Daughter of Robert of Vermandois
Ermengarde-Gerberga of Anjou 956-1024
Daughter of Adele of Meaux
Judith of Brittany 982-1017
Daughter of Ermengarde-Gerberga of Anjou
Robert II *The Magnificant* Of Normandy 1000-1035
Son of Judith of Brittany
William the Conqueror 1028-1087
Son of Robert II *The Magnificant* Of Normandy
King Henry I 1068-1135
Son of William the Conqueror
Empress Matilda Of Normandy 1102-1167
Daughter of King Henry I
King Henry II Of England 1133-1189
Son of Empress Matilda Of Normandy
John Of Lackland King of England 1166-1216
Son of King Henry II Of England
Joan Plantagenet Lady Snowdon 1188-1237
Daughter of John Of Lackland King of England
Marged Verch LIewelyn 1202-1264
Daughter of Joan Plantagenet Lady Snowdon
Sir William De Braose Lord Buckingham & Bramber 1224-1291
Son of Marged Verch LIewelyn
Sir William Gascoigne Of Gawthorpe Knt. Valet Of The Crown 1366-1422
Son of Sir William De Braose Lord Buckingham & Bramber
Alice Gascoigne 1415-1493
Daughter of Sir William Gascoigne Of Gawthorpe Knt. Valet Of The Crown
Isabel Mirfield 1431-1488
Daughter of Alice Gascoigne
Jane Wentworth 1451-1522
Daughter of Isabel Mirfield
Oliver Wentworth 1489-1558
Son of Jane Wentworth
William Wentworth 1525-1574
Son of Oliver Wentworth
Christoper Wentworth 1556-1633
Son of William Wentworth
William WENTWORTH 1584-1690
Son of Christoper Wentworth
Edward WENTWORTH 1617-1682
Son of William WENTWORTH
William Wentworth 1649-1682
Son of Edward WENTWORTH
Elizabeth Wentworth 1676-1736
Daughter of William Wentworth
Margaret Smith 1716-1760
Daughter of Elizabeth Wentworth
James Holsworth 1743-1813
Son of Margaret Smith
James Holsworth 1795-1839
Son of James Holsworth
WILLIAM HOLSWORTH 1834-1911
Son of James Holsworth
William Holsworth 1871-1947
Son of WILLIAM HOLSWORTH
William Augustus Holsworth 1902-1990
Son of William Holsworth
Elizabeth Laura Holsworth 1934-
Daughter of William Augustus Holsworth
Arthur Nielsen 1958-
Son of Elizabeth Laura Holsworth
Kaitlin Nielsen
You are the daughter of Arthur Nielsen

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Zerubbabel 3rd Exilarch / זרובבל is my 78th great grandfather.

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