Isabel de Gras, heiress of Studley - same woman in two profiles

Merged.

Daughter Isabel de Bourne, heiress of Studley is missing her children.

Isabel le Gras didn't marry Tempest. She married (1) Bourne, with a sole daughter and heiress Isabel de Bourne, who married Tempest, (2) Clitheroe, with no kids. His kids were by an unknown previous wife.

All the old books make a garbled mess of this family. A better version here

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/ebt/index.shtml Volume 1 page 45.

Brian Johnson I’ve been re reading that site and I’m still confused. EBT is “not” clear and there’s been adjustments to her views. If you have a good understanding of the Tempest mess, I’d appreciate your help.

Vol l Page 45.

sued in April 1379 by Adam de Schofote for £24. 13. 4 owed by Sir Richard (De Banco Roll, 474, Easter, 2 Richard ij, m.311). Sir Richard Tempest knt died 28 October 1376, his fee as warden of Scarboro Castle being paid up to that date "on which day the said Richard Tempest died" as shown in the Inquest taken before William Haldmarket and others, bailiffs of Berwick on Tweed (Exch. L.T.R. Foreign Accts no. 11.B.). Sir Richard Tempest (30) had two wives. His first, by whom he had no issue was Joan (29) daughter and heir of Sir Thomas de Hertford of Hertford co. York knt. In October 1342, her father settled on her and Richard Tempest his manors of Hertford and Appleton, and Staynton etc. to them and their heirs with remainder to the heirs of Richard Tempest (Feet of Fines York, 15-20 Edward iij, no.70. 72 and 17-18 Edward iij, File 116, no.4). In June 1344, Sir Richard Tempest and Joan his wife had Papal Indult to choose a Confessor at the hour of death etc. (Papal Reg. vol. iij, p.178). In 1348 they sued Robert de Rotyngton and Dionisia his wife for waste in the dower lands of Dionisia in Laxton N.R. Yorks, the inheritance of said Joan (De Banco Roll 356, Mich., 22 Edward iij, m. 317d). She was dead by October 1354 when Sir Richard had re-married Isabel de Bourne (Feet of Fines, Yorks, 29 Edward iij, File 122, no. 6),[otherwise] Isabella (31) daughter and heir of Sir Thomas de Bourne of Stanford Ryvers, co. Essex, knt, by Isabel, daughter and heir of Sir John le Gras of Studley co. York and Trefford co. Dur: knt, by his wife Paulina (see below). She has wrongly been described as "daughter of Sir Hugh Cliderhowe by Isabel le Gras" etc. (Surtees' Hist. of Durham, vol. 3, p.326 etc.). In February, 11 Edward iij (1337-8) the Archbishop of York prosecuted 21 men, chiefly of Tadcaster and Spofforth for the abduction of Isabel,

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daughter and heir of Sir John le Gras, chivaler from Ryther, and for keeping her in hiding, she being under age and her wardship and marriage belonging to the said Archbishop (Coram Rege, Hil., 11 Edward iij, m. 67). This Isabel le Gras wed Sir Thomas de Bourne knt, before July 1341. ...

Brian Johnson Take a look Now at the Isabels and Richards and check me, if you would be so kind. It had been pretty confused.

dale scott You too, of course! And thank you for bringing to attention.

The note I was thinking about has been overtaken by events :) Looks good now.

Of course the key to the Tempests is that Bracewell and Studley were never in the same hands. The old pedigree-mongers just did not get that. They thought "of Bracewell" and "of Studley" were interchangeable.

Also repeating names and no dates for the modern pedigree makers. :)