James Freeman, Sr. - Wrong William

That all makes sense to me Cynthia. This James Freeman: James Freeman, of Bertie County

could not have had a son (William) who was born in the 1680's as his profile suggests. It seems most likely that the correct William is the one you posted above.

Also, thank you for deleting the haplogroup Q nonsense. Some of these men may have married N/A women. But that wouldn't have given their male children haplogroup Q y chromosomes.

There is definitely a lot of confusion in the tree of the whole family!

John Freeman, of Norfolk VA

John Freeman of Norfolk VA is only shown to have had 3 sons and no daughters in the book by Mosher; his sons were William, John, and Thomas.

This James Freeman: James Freeman

and This James Freeman: James Freeman, of Bertie County

should probably be the same person. I think they should be merged.

John of Norfolk likely didn't have a son named James—at least if one strictly follows the book.

Here is an example of the inconsistencies:

John of Norfolk was born around 1649 yet on here he supposedly has a daughter Elizabeth Harmon who was born when he himself was only 9 years old in 1658. As well John died between 1710-1711 yet on here he has a son James who is listed as being born after Johns death in 1712. And the other incorrect child of John of Norfolk has an estimated birth span from 1662 to 1718!

Thish ttps://Richard Freeman and this Richard Freeman are actually the same people and should also be merged.

The Richard that is a son of William (1673-1736) is in the correct place on the tree.

This Thomas Freeman is missing 2 sons who's names are John (b. c. 1717; d. testate 1762) and Samuel (b. c. 1734; d 1784).

This John Freeman, Chowanoke YDNA QM3 is missing the son Matthew (unmarried), and daughters Hannah, Eddie ED, Elizabeth.

HEY DAVID!!! I still want to know how we are a dna match. It still shows that we are 9th cousins... but the experts say we have to match within 5 generations. Still puzzled.

LOL! Great to hear from you Diana! I'm still trying to figure it out as well!

I recently made it through one of my brick walls with the help of a relative who happened to show up with the right info. I'll have to add the new people to my tree and see if it gets us anywhere.

Good... make sure you let me know while you're adding them.

At one time, I thought we connected thru one of the Walters in my tree. Here are my Walters that I connect to...

Mariah Debolt

Charity Debolt

Ephraim Walters, Jr.

I'll check that out Diana.

Back to the business at hand though.

I sincerely hope that the photos of the actual copy of the book John Freeman of Norfolk County, Virginia have shown that this James Freeman, of Bertie County is the father of this William Freeman, of Missouri.

If the book isn't enough for you then check out the Rev War Pension file # W10042. That specific file belongs to William Freeman (1759-1838)!

https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_adb/default.cfm...

Another inconsistency is that James Freeman, of Bertie County had to have died around 1772 when his son William was orphaned and indentured to Solomon Freeman. So the current date of death for James (1788) is incorrect.

Faustine Darsey on hiatus and Erica Howton can you please assist?

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000119642719821
https://briannaudreywright.wordpress.com/2019/04/15/the-freemans-mi...

The profile for James Freeman, of Bertie County was originally attached to the family of John Freeman, of Norfolk VA. Either via John’s son John that moved to NC (which would be his correct tree placement). Or via an incorrect attachment as a son (not grandson) of John of Norfolk. The profile for James Freeman Chowanoke (and most other profiles related to John of Norfolk) has been systematically altered by people trying to make it seem like John Freeman of Norfolk was of Native American heritage. They have to do this because they are related to people with the last name Freeman that have haplogroup Q y chromosomes.

The Freeman DNA project has come to the logical conclusion that John of Norfolk (an English immigrant) did not have a native American y haplogroup. I am one of the testers in the Freeman project at FTDNA who has a verifiable paper trail to and has been grouped to John Freeman of Norfolk, VA. My line doesesnt need to depart from the book by Mosher at all. Everyone that has been saying that John of Norfolk was haplogroup Q had completely thrashed his tree as it is laid out in the book in order to make it seem like they were his descendants. They were glory hunting.

If you look at the profile for James Freeman Chowanoke’s father John Freeman, Chowanoke YDNA QM3 you will see that the profile picture is a map of the great dismal swamp area around the Elizabeth River. That map is taken from the book John Freeman of Norfolk VA by Merrill Hill Mosher. That is the land John of Norfolk patented for the importation of himself and others.

Then in the about section for James Freeman Chowanoke it goes on to talk about a William Freeman who was indentured to his cousin Solomon to learn the trade of carpentry. That William is my 6th great grandfather (whose father was James Freeman son of John son of John of Norfolk). There is no doubt about this. I can easily trace my line back to the William who was indentured to Solomon.

This is my Wiliam Freeman: William Freeman, of Missouri

Plus both the James Freeman in the book (that I descend from) and James Freeman Chowanoke were born sometime before between 1710 and 1720.

The death date for James Freeman Chowanoke on Geni is inconsistent with the death date for James that was the father to the indentured William. In fact I can't locate a single James Freeman who died in 1788 in the book at all. Let alone one that Mosher felt was a descendant of John of Norfolk. To compound things further there is zero documentation for the death of James Freeman Chowanoke on Geni. So either the death date is correct and James Freeman Chowanoke needs to have documentation and then have everything about John of Norfolks family taken off his page (including the map on his dad's page). Because he belongs to a different Native American family. Or James Freeman Chowanoke needs to be reconnected and merged into it's correct spot in John of Norfolks family. With the correct death date. And the haplogroup Q stuff needs to be removed. And the haplogroup Q people need to cease and desist from interacting with profiles related to John of Norfolk and his family.

Also, on the page for James Freeman, of Bertie County it says that William was “apprenticed to his cousin Soloman at the age of 14.”

Yet they list apprenticed William being born (in the about section) in the 1680!!!! So Wliam was born 60 years before his older brothers? Obviously a typo.

Whereas my William was born around 1759. Nowhere near 1680 or 1780. Plus in 1780 my William was married, having children, and fighting in the Revolutionary War!!!!

I previously said this: “The death date for James Freeman Chowanoke on Geni is inconsistent with the death date for James that was the father to the indentured William. In fact I can't locate a single James Freeman who died in 1788 in the book at all.”

So going back to this. In that time a boy usually learned a trade from their father. Why would William’s father have someone else (a family member even) raise him and teach him a trade? It's because his dad James Freeman died way before 1788. This haplogroup QM3 stuff is a total invention and farce. I've been trying to clear it up since 2018. But it keeps getting worse.

According to DAR and all other records by1788 the “indentured or apprenticed” William Freeman had already fought the in Revolution, had children, and married twice. Obviously a James Freeman that is related to the “apprenticed” William wouldn't have abandoned him and had he lived that long would have probably left a will. Yet no record of him can be found past 1773. And apprenticed William identified himself in his war pension.

So how can William just start being apprenticed in 1788 when he is already an adult and married with children after having fought a war! And to top it off! He was born in 1680?

Consistency check anyone?

This is insane and the perpetrators need to be banned from Geni 🤷

My next steps for Marsha Gail Veazy would be to definantly buy the book and read it.

And also quit using https://sallysfamilyplace.com/john-freeman-hannah/ It is horribly inaccurate. I've never interacted with a single DNA relative who found it more than a nuisance.

I would say that she should edit out anything relating John of Norfolks family and sadly start from square one. But these profiles are so ubiquitous to the John of Norfolk family it might be easier to merge them into their proper place than to start a new for multiple families. This is where I get confused on Geni. Do we fix profiles or create new ones?

I rewrote this response to be more accurate:

I would say that she should edit out anything relating to John of Norfolks family and sadly start from square one. But these profiles are so ubiquitous to John of Norfolk’s family that it might be easier to merge them into their proper place than to start a new one for multiple families. This is where I get confused on Geni. Do we fix profiles or create new ones?

Ok I will get back to you tomorrow night on merging and fixing these profiles. I'll start at John of Norfolk and work out from there.