Cornelis Maessen van Buren - Need a curator please and thank you

My 9th ggrandfather, too. I am not familiar with the curator of this profile. Do you know who the correct parents should be?

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 the profile is an MP but it is not locked at all so it does not require a curator.

The two father's appear to be duplicates, if you look at the Maes profile's Dutch spelling it looks like Maes is a diminutive of Bartholomeus, which is an alternative spelling for Bartholomew.

No, Alex Moes, I mean please DO lock... to prevent having to fix again and again

Erica Howton, tha nk you for checking. Alex Moes, thank you for the reply

Relationships locked.

Thank you so so much, everyone.

I like to point out that a lot of people are still busy with solving the problems around Cornelis Maessen van Buren and now with the relationship lock that work is stopped and only the Curators can solve the mess. As Alex Moes did say there was no relationship lock and the help of the Curators was not needed to solve this.

I still do not see any reasons why the relationship lock is needed.

Private User, I think perhaps the Dutch names are one of the most important reasons to lock and this line is one that I have worked really hard here to get MP'd... not this particular profile but the Swaim line which I and many others have been working on for decades. Most of the newcomers to genealogy do not have the same experience of having to work by visiting or phone calling places and family history centers and scouring unindexed Federal census records and waiting on microfiche to come o the library from elsewhere...
Any time I see one of these Dutch profiles merged or victim of a gedcom upload, I want to figure out what I can DO to protect the research that has already been done.
Today, I tree build... I do not go back and look for a source again that I found once 20 some odd years ago... alock is an extra security and I am always happy to meet a new cousin... I just don't like going back over the same profile or family line again and again while I am looking for a brick wall ancestor.

Also, regardless of the lock which I am grateful to have, the "work" is NOT "stopped".

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 all that was required was for the two father's to be merged together, MPing and RLing seems to be something of an over reaction.

Claes now has a "half" brother who is a duplicate but he cannot be merged by anyone other than a curator without his immediate family being disconnected. This 1/2 brother is a result of a Gedcom import which I have asked Geni to stop processing but it may take a few days.

PS RLing does nothing to protect the Dutch names, nor any other names, so your little lecture to Private User is completely unwarranted.

Wow, Alex Moes. Lecture?
And yes, Dutch naming patterns are an issue.
Be nice.

Sent you a PM.

Dutch naming patterns have not been mentioned in this thread so why mention them?

Regardless, placing a Relationship Lock on a Master Profile has absolutely no affect on it's name fields. Sorry if the word "lecture" offended you (not really), my point remains from my original post that all you had to do was merge the two parents profiles and resolve the data conflicts from previous merges, as an experienced Geni user there's absolutely no need for you to create a discussion thread asking for curators to come and do it for you.

Jeroen is an experienced Dutch researcher and Geni user and his point that a RL on this profile stops non- curators from maintaining this part of the tree is accurate. My mention of the 1/2 brother duplicate being a case in point.

Alex Moes, I started the Discussion BECAUSE I did not recognize the two fathers as being one person with two different name spellings.
I am very grateful that Erica Howton was able to recognize them and did what was needed to bring this CURATED profile BACK to being correct.
I have a certain set of skills and I am learning by the day but I am not about trying to FIX something that I do not know HOW to fix and simply recognize is broken....
We NEED curators. They remain a huge part of the reason I am still working on Geni every day but only rarely even looking at the FamilySearch or Wikitrees..... ANd I update my Ancestry tree to reflect the PROVEN work from Geni. The collaboration makes it the best vetted tree and the curators can and do KEEP the lines correct.
Anyone notice that some historical profiles at FamilySearch are now locked and UNeditable? That lock is important. I like it. It takes extra work to get behind them but that is their purpose.
I do apologize for sounding like I am lecturing. It is not my intent.
By the way, I adopted a handful of profiles that were of Swedish or similar origin and have mostly found someone to turn them over to or have removed myself as manager once I discovered that I was having too much difficulty with the naming patterns to be able to effectively care for them... simply put. I have, in my most recent AncestryDNA update, 7% Swedish, 2% Norwegian, and 1% Finnish ancestry. 23&me says 4% Scandinavian and 1% Finnish... at any rate, I am terrible with languages. Spoke German a little bit as a girl and toof French I in college but had to drop French II because I could not keep up. My uncle and my grandfather spoke several languages. I have a few Interpreters in my tree but somehow I did not get that gift.
I would NEVER have seen that "half brother" because I was stuck at the extra father....
Thank you for all assistance. Everyone.

I lock relationships as I go. I’m horrified by the degradation of good work done years ago. So even if Cynthia hadn’t asked I would have locked. Sorry I missed the the 1-2 brother! I did do a lot of merging & cleaning. About 3 hours worth, I think.

Every bit of it appreciated, Erica Howton. I went back and stacked the brother for merging.
Thank you so so much

My question was if RL was needed for this profile. And that question is answered.

Private User - RL is always needed in a completed tree (all relationships in place). After 10 years in the Colonial American tree, we’ve learned it’s better to unlock - relock as need be.

This may be less necessary in Europe. But for America? Oh, yes.

The reason I do not RL as a default is because it then requires a Curator to be merging any duplicate profiles, until Geni does something to stem the flood of duplicates being created daily by users there is an ongoing need for merging and to place that burden solely on Curators is unreasonable.

Per my original post in this thread the identified "issues" with this profile were a simple duplication of the father's profile, obscured slightly by spelling variants, and a need to resolve Data Conflicts, just the patronym being in the wrong field of one profile. In such cases i always try to teach users to fish as i can only hand out so many fish per day.

It doesn’t require a curator to merge an RL profile. Members are just scared. :). The rest of the merge in family breaks off and needs a separate match / merge, which works fine (usually .. and if not, it’s just a dup).

Most of the merging I do is unconnected trees members cannot merge.

We’ve got a great merger - er crew I’m right proud of for their work. So try to make it easier.

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 - can you merge Cornelis Maessen van Buren into Cornelis Maessen van Buren ?

Erica Howton, it makes me request

Thanks for the test.

Alex Moes - hand off to Me then any MPs for Colonial America that needs locking. Because I’d rather merge than redo research again and again. It’s a devils choice, but I respect my “own” work (and everyone else’s) too much not to do it this way.

Another advantage of RL is its much easier to isolate useless duplicate trees when there’s a big STOP.