John Taylor - Wife and children & origins

Started by Erica Howton on Tuesday, April 6, 2021
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I used to have actual nightmares about “John Taylor” on Geni. But let’s give it another try.

I’m seeing evidence for 2 children only, Richard (died without issue) & Elizabeth Sallard.

I’m seeing evidence John’s widow Elizabeth married twice more.

And no real idea who parents are.

What do you think?

===Family

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:John_Taylor_and_Elizabeth_Unkn...

Children
#Elizabeth Taylor Bet 1638 & 1644 - Bet 1714 & 1715 Marriage 1) Bef 14 Sep 1665 to Simon Sallard 2) 1679 to Thomas Baker 3) Bef 10 Aug 1698 to John Brown
# Richard Taylor Bet 1648 & 1653 - 1669

Carrell, William P. II. A New First Family of Virginia: John Taylor of Elizabeth City, Isle of Wight County, and Lancaster County, Virginia. American Genealogist (D.L. Jacobus). (2012-13) 86:37.

On 14 May 1662 (the date is given in footnote 40 on page 33), Elizabeth, "the now Wife of Toby Horton" confessed that 'Horton held cows "belonging to the Orphts. of John Taylor and Willm. Winterborne both long since deced ..."'

Birth year estimated based on approx. birth years of her husband John Taylor and her last child, and the fact that she had children from two marriages.

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http://www.enonhall.com/pdf/lineage.LAWSONTAYLOR.pdf

Record evidence establishes that to be the case for JT’s wife Elizabeth. Following his death, she married Tobias Horton, as the Record of cows due to the Orphans of John Taylor & William Winterborne and the Administration of Horton’s estate establish. The former record documented Elizabeth’s confession that her husband Horton held cows “belonging to the Orphts. of John Taylor & Willm. Winterborne both long since deced.” Her involvement in this proceeding all but indicates that, before Taylor, she was married to Winterborne.43

This conclusion is confirmed by the fact that, per the 1669 Estate of Tobias Horton, she had a “Sonne in Law,” Uriah Angell. As noted, Richard Taylor’s Estate establishes that his sister Elizabeth (Taylor) Sallard was his sole heiress in 1669. Thus, Angell cannot have been married to another child of John Taylor, since Taylor’s only surviving heir was Elizabeth Sallard. The term “son in law,” at this time, was used to refer to a step-son as well as its modern meaning.44 The latter is more likely here because Elizabeth conveyed Angell her one-third interest in JT’s land.45 She would not likely have been so generous if Angell were a mere step-son. So, it is reasonable to conclude that Angell was married to a daughter of Elizabeth by her marriage to a husband other than JT. Her marriage to Tobias Horton is not a possibility because Horton only names one daughter in his will, Rebecca, and she was married to Thomas Martin.46 Also, Angell’s only known wife was named Susannah. Thus, the relationship must arise from a marriage that Elizabeth had prior to JT, and William Winterborne is the only candidate.

Or to put it another way - this profile John “the immigrant” Taylor is “more or less” the correct John Taylor, and this other person needs to be re evaluated for family.

Dear Erica,
Yes, it is unsettling to the point of nightmares when the same spouse appears in different records with different family names. But I just record it in my files with a question mark and move on to the next brick wall. When some other source leads me to the crossing again it is often with the resolution that there were 2nd, 3rd or even 4th marriages and with the real maiden name. But time and again most of these sloppy postings in the Internet prove to have some truth in them. the only problem is the missing puzzle pieces and where they fit in.
If you have been working with my files you will probably have noticed that I transform and abbreviate normal English word order in a way to keep the identifying data on a person close together. For plausibility reason DOB always before POB DOM between m and spouse, dau of before wid of, and spouse´s later marriage with he/she m2 etc.
It really helps when climbing up someone´s tree brings you back to something after 5 years or more with a missing puzzle piece that explains everything.

I have included 9 children for John Taylor b 1607 and Elizabeth ?Nin b c 1610, one of whom are direct ancestors, or at least seem to be, while another, James, is often listed as a brother but date plausibility makes him more likely a son.
About 30 % of my DNA matches match me on one or more of three characteristic segments on chr. 12 that I have associated with Taylor descent. Of these matches about a quarter have sufficiently long Trees to find a Taylor ancestor, is not the exact connection to the family.
At first I thought these matches were only over one of the three possible Taylor descents of my maternal grandmother. But then. I discovered matches in these ranges on my father´s side including two Volga Germans of Mennonite descent from the same area my father´s paternal line came from (haplogroup R1b). But my paternal grandfather had a maternal grandmoter of the same family name, that in other lines tests as haplogroup I2.
About a year ago I learned that a daughter of the martyr, Rev. Dr. Roland Taylor, married a Hester in the direct ancestral line of these I2 Hesters.
So it is beginning to look like these segments on chr. 12 are homozygote for me.
A few of my matches on these segments are English or Scottish, some of known Taylor ancestry some without known Taylor (or Hester) ancestors.
Not exactly conclusive evidence for anything with 14 generations in between, but with about 400 of 2000 of these DNA matches showing some sort of Taylor ancestry, its weight is building up.

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