Burrell Bass, Sr - Critical Inconsistencies in this line segment.

Looking at the Descendants Report for John Bass, Sr., I find this oddity:

4. Burrell Bass, Sr b. circa 1760, NC; d. August 23, 1831, Jefferson County, AL, United States
└ +Unknown
5. James S Bass, Jr b. circa 1740, (Chesterfield) VA; d. 1822, Brunswick Co., VA
└ +Elizabeth Bass b. between 1850 and 1859, Brunswick Co., VA, North Carolina, United States; d. January 28, 1862, Alabama, United States
6. Burwell Bass b. 1761

This shows Burwell Bass, the grandson of Burrell Bass, Sr. -- born just one year apart from his own grandfather.

I almost forgot to point out that Arkansas in 1763 (where William S Bass was supposedly born) -- was a very wild and uncivilized Spanish domain at the time. So I have a feeling he wasn't born there (maybe Alabama instead, idk).

https://www.geni.com/list/descendants/6000000004089146464#8

The dates don't look right on this old merge from two years ago:

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=73233535840

I haven't found any proof of the parentage for our Ephraim Bass (father of Benjamin, who is proven, and likely my aunt's 3rd g-grandfather). Benjamin was from Georgia and joined with Florida during the Civil War. My aunt's Basses are from Florida, too. I'm inclined to disconnect our Ephraim from parents James S. and Elizabeth, mainly because James S. Bass lived and died in Virginia, whereas Ephraim Bass was born in North Carolina (according to the 1850 US census, or maybe the 1860 census as they are on both). Furthermore, it is virtually impossible for either of the 'duplicate/not duplicate' "Elizabeths" who are placed as Ephraim's mother, to be correct. The locations are wrong, as are the dates (she would have been a very young child at time of his birth).

If there are no objections, I will try to disconnect our Ephraim from his current, incorrect parents.

In Wayne County, NC, I find a number of Basses, including Ephraim residing there in 1820; and several Basses who were heads of household in 1790. So I am convinced that although he likely was from Wayne County, there isn't enough evidence to establish his parentage.

And I do not find any Burrell or Burwell Bass anywhere in Wayne County during that timeframe.

There are James Bass(es), but none old enough to be Ephraim's father. And if James Bass was in Virginia at the time of the 1790 census that would mean Ephraim should have been born in VA -- but that simply is not the case.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.surname=bass&a...

https://archive.org/details/bassfamiliesofso00bell/page/204/mode/2u...

This was recently added as another spouse for Louvicy Bass -- with no source, apparently. I believe, based on the 1850 census, that it was their daughter Malinda who married a Timmons, and had children of her own: daughters Vicey, Viney, and Roxanna. Again, her 16 year old sister, Lavina Sapp apparently married young and had a daughter also named Roxanna (and born within months of her niece) I will peruse these censuses to look for more clues, but for now in Ephraim's household we have:

Ephraim Bass Male 66 1784 North Carolina White 481 1850

Vicey Bass Female 46 1804 Georgia White 481 1850

Malinda Timmons Female 23 1827 Georgia White 481 1850

Benjamin Bass Male 18 1832 Georgia White 481 1850

John Jones Male 21 1829 Georgia White 481 1850

Louisa Bass Female 17 1833 Georgia White 481 1850

Lavina Sapp Female 16 1834 Georgia White 481 1850

John Bass Male 13 1837 Georgia White 481 1850

Moses Bass Male 10 1840 Georgia White 481 1850

Perlemon Bass Male 7 1843 Georgia White 481 1850

Vicey Timmons Female 6 1844 Georgia White 481 1850

Winnefred Bass Female 5 1845 Georgia White 481 1850

Viney Timmons Female 4 1846 Georgia White 481 1850

Roxanna Timmons Female 0 1850 Georgia White 481 1850

Roxanna Sapp Female 0 1850 Georgia White 481 1850

I will see what I can do to add the missing profiles for this family.

UKN Timmons

This links to the recently added spouse that I believe should connect to the daughter, Malinda Bass (not to mother Louvicey).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64KQ-TM6?i=71&...

The above data is for Ephraim, Sr. (Jr. is on the same census, I think. But I will stick with working with one at a time).

Evidently Ephraim Jr. was by Sr.'s first wife, Patsy Bass who died before 1827.

I have to assume that John Jones was the son of Rachel Jones (age 52, head of household on the same page, and apparently quite wealthy). No idea why he would be living with them. I have yet to look at the 1860 census, which should provide more details.

The Bass family was associated with a Nathaniel Timmons as his daughter Elizabeth married an Elijah Bass in NC. But I do not find Nathaniel Timmons on Geni.

https://archive.org/details/bassfamiliesofso00bell/page/110/mode/2u...

The dates don't add up, nor is there any proof that Louisa Bass is the wife of Thomas Joab Zipperer, so I would like to disconnect that relationship. Louisa was not born in 1835 (she was born ca. 1833, according to the census). I would like to see proof of the marriage before connecting them.

Furthermore, I find no proof that "Bass" was Martha Louise Zipperer's maiden name.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/46788421/martha-louisa-zipperer

John H. Bass is in the same cemetery with Martha Louisa Zipperer. But I don't see any real connection between them. And the ladies' birthdates are different, too. So I'm not convinced.

John H. Bass married a Martha Ann Starling, which may be part of the confusion.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/34912290/john-henry-bass

I might be able to find more information when I browse through the census later on. Will probably take a day or so to get through all of it. Maybe I can find some marriage records, too.

That was someone else's note about Jr. Not the curator's

I disconnected Virginia James S Bass from Alabama Burrell Bass, Sr

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/25783548/james-burrell-bass and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bass-1808 BOTH mention "James Bass, Jr" but it makes no sense logistically. I think other children need confirmed.
Just use caution, please :)

Hi Cynthia, the Bass family tree is a massive project for anyone and I respect others' equal (or in some cases, more) interest in specific parts of the tree. Practically speaking, I try to limit myself to my aunt's (or my own, as the case may be) connections, although happy to share any sources or other pertinent information I find along the way.

I pointed out a few areas that need correction (listed above), fixed up my aunt's line the best I could, and intend to offer future help wherever possible. It is much easier (and quicker) to find problems than it is to properly correct them.

One more area I see needing help is a critical inconsistency on Burrell Bass, Sr and his wife, Elizabeth Jane Bass

Burrell Bass, Sr. (born ca. 1760, per Geni and the DAR -- although I intuitively agree with other sources that it might have been 1752 instead) and wife Elizabeth Jane York (born ca. 1757) -- had two "children" who were born in 1763 and 1765 respectively. So they were too young to be the parents of these sons:

William S Bass

Benjamin S Bass

And as with some of the other issues, I'm not yet prepared to solve this particular problem, focused as I was on helping my aunt with her branch...I simply don't know how this happened or what to do about it, at this time. I just think it is worth bringing to public attention, with hope that a curator or other interested party might have better luck with it.

Anyway, had I not read your discussion about William Basse, Sr. -- I probably never would have checked our connections for consistency, as I had been operating on the assumption that her Bass branch was in perfect order. :D So I appreciate that very much! Not only did it lead to more accuracy for our tree, I have learned some fascinating Bass history.

In 1850, Ephraim Bass, Jr. also had a large family, right in the same neighborhood as his father. Part of the family is listed at the top of the same census page with that of Ephraim, Sr. I list them here as a means to reduce possible confusion between the families.

Ephraim Bass, Junr. Male 32 1818 Georgia 475
Sarah Bass Female 41 1809 Georgia 475
Mary Jane Bass Female 15 1835 Georgia 475
Martha Bass Female 13 1837 Georgia 475
Levi Bass Male 11 1839 Georgia 475
Ephraim Bass Male 8 1842 Georgia 475
Christian Bass Female 6 1844 Georgia 475
Catharine Bass Female 4 1846 Georgia 475
Sarah Bass Female 2 1848 Georgia 475
Eli B Bass Male 24 1826 Georgia 475

Notice that Eli B. Bass (age 24, Laborer) was included in the household of his brother, Ephraim, Jr.. So that is nice to have him accounted for.

On Geni, the three youngest daughters need profiles (I'll add those now). And I'll have to look for George Washington Bass on the 1860 census, along with a bunch more kids, probably.

"United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64KQ-2TN?cc=1401638&am... : 9 April 2016), Georgia > Lowndes > Lowndes county, part of > image 71 of 128; citing NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

A bit off-topic, but I thought it would be fun to share: The community where Ephraim Bass, Sr.'s extensive family were settled -- had a "Root Doctor" by the name of Edward Burch. Born in Georgia in ca. 1800, married to Isabella, with children George and Margaret. (I do not find this family on Geni.)

"United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64KQ-PN8?cc=1401638&am... : 9 April 2016), Georgia > Lowndes > Lowndes county, part of > image 77 of 128; citing NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

There is a slight risk of falling into sensationalist stereotypes, but I think in the days when doctors and medicine was awfully scarce, it seems like a fairly noble occupation, if one was good at it.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Old_Root_and_Herb_Doctor/6...

Private User I tree build so I often add folks that I have found elsewhere in addition to adding family lines of those that I do know.

In regards to the Root Doctor title-- is that an official or layman term? Just curious.
As we know, healers of any given age have been placed in either of two categories: miracle workers or hexxers ... Sadly too since it truly is a gift and medications today are either derived from plants or they are synthesized. The body knows the difference.

You probably saw I disconnected those Bass "children". Typically I will try to find correct family/parents before disconnecting but I don't think enough people have done the legwork and at this juncture, it is very publicly being discussed and so hopefully kin will workl on those or see this in the future and be able to address them. Also, I tend to revisit because these ARE cousin lines for me.
Finally; I think the fact that so many folks are NOT yet in Geni is perhaps a big reason WHY Geni allows the Gedcom uploads. I am ok with them and even see them as an opportunity to meet new cousins and maybe connect/learn something new but most of the time it is just redundant mistakes needing merged into profiles that are nice and neat and leaves them all in more of a mess...

I plan on looking at my sources again (probably tomorrow) to see if I can find the two 18th century profiles you disconnected (William S and Benjamin S). I try to leave no stone unturned before giving up on them, and have a feeling they do belong somewhere (hopefully). It's a bit complicated by the fact that the Basses were widespread in many different regions, with big, extended families. Those two appear to have resided in Virginia, although the Arkansas birth of William S sounds to me like an error.

"Root Doctor" is how Mr. Burch's occupation is described on the original census. I also found some legislative records from around the same timeframe (1835) in New York, where lawmakers were all worked up about the "Root Doctors" who were not certified to practice medicine. It's right here:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Documents_of_the_Assembly_of_t...

Found several books of Bass genealogy, each one concentrating on specific branches, locations, and timeframes.

Basses originating in Massachusetts, migrating to Maine: "Concerning Jeriah Bass and his descendants: leaves from memory's scrapbook and facts from authentic sources. by Lizzie Etta Bass (1962):

https://archive.org/details/concerningjeriah00bass/mode/2up

Basses originating in Virginia, migrating to Kentucky(?), Alabama, and Texas; who were allied with the Hicks, Floyd, Adams, and Patillo families: "The Hicks-Adams-Bass-Floyd-Pattillo and collateral lines: together with family letters, 1840-1868" by Gary Doyle Woods...In this book I find a Benjamin Bass from BRUNSWICK CO. VA...Possibly a close relation to this man: Benjamin S Bass

"Now we know Sarah Hicks married Benjamen Bass. He was born In 1735 or 1740, probably in Brunswick County. He furnished supplies to the American Army. He died intestate, but Mr. Stewart, genealogist, after not being able to find a will for Benjamen Bass,examined the tax lists and found the last appearance of his name was in 1816; so Benjamen Bass died sometime between the spring of 1816 and the spring of 1817."

Children of Benjamen Bass and Sarah Hicks (parents of John Hicks Bass):
Nathan Bass; m. Martha Beatey, 1797; both d. in Tennessee.
Benjamen Bass; lived and died in Virginia.
Frederick; lived and died in Virginia.
John Hicks Bass: b. 1763 in Va.; d. 1850 in Georgia.
Anna Bass; b. 8-23-1773; d. 8-3-1854; m. Capt. Wm. Beatey 1-22-1798.
Sarah Bass; b. 2-10-1790; d. 12-29-1857; m. James Vaughan 4-18-1810.
Mary Bass; m. William Thomas.
These girls married in Virginia and lived in Tennessee, leaving large families.

https://archive.org/details/hicksadamsbassfl00wood/page/8/mode/2up?...

https://archive.org/details/hicksadamsbassfl00wood/page/10/mode/2up

Page 12, states, "The father of Benjamen [Senior presumably] was James Bass, and he was married to Mary _____, we think Mary Lanier. Our Bass family at that time was in Norfolk, Lower Norfolk, and before 1720 Virginia Included all of that marshy section which was then in North Carolina.

"About 1720 the Basses began to move westward and seemed to settle in mass in Northampton County, North Carolina. It could be Benjamen Bass [Sr.?] was born in Northampton County before the James Bass family finally reached Brunswick County, Va., about 1758.

"As a lead, in hopes that someone who reads this will continue the search started on the above-named family, James Bass, 1768, left a will in Brunswick County. He names his wife Mary _ and one daughter, Mary Emery. He said, '"I leave all my other estate to be equally divided between all my children except Mary Emery."' So Benjamen is not named.

"When the will was probated and in court procedure following, one should be able to find all the names of the children..."

I don't know about the dates, but the names and locations of James S. and Benjamin S. Bass seem agreeable. (William S. Bass doesn't seem to fit in anywhere, at this point.) And these Basses intermarried with some of the Laniers.

"Bass, Lightfoot and allied families" by Laura H. Bass (1925). Jordan and son Sion (Zion?) Bass, who migrated from Virginia to Christian Co., Kentucky:

https://archive.org/details/basslightfootall00bass/page/n13/mode/2up

Another Jordan, "Jordan Bass of Franklin County, North Carolina":

https://archive.org/details/jordanbassoffran00unse/page/n7/mode/2up

JORDAN BASS, SON OF JACOB BASS, SR., OF FRANKLIN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA.

In 1791 Jacob Bass, Sr. died in Franklin County, North Carolina where he owned land on Sandy Creek. In 1771 Jacob Bass owned land on Sandy Creek in what was then Bute County, but later was included in Franklin County.

Also it is here we find a deed dated May 10, 1775, signed by Jacob Bass and wife Anne Bass. As early as January 19, 1761 in Edgecomb County, North Carolina, Jacob Bass and wife Ann (spelling varied) Bass were selling land.

This deed was witnessed and proven in March 176.1 by Abraham Bass - a brother of Jacob Bass, Sr., last of Franklin County, North Carolina.

Hence, Jacob Bass, Sr. as of 1761 had a wife named Ann and also as late as 1775 he had a wife named Ann. This period of 1760-1770-1775 is the time the son named Jordan Bass was born to Jacob Bass, Sr., whose wife was Ann.

Jordan Bass, a son of Jacob Bass, Sr., was born in the late 1760's or early 1770's. Jordan Bass and Bethena Gay were married in May 1790 in Franklin County, North Carolina. The marriage bond is dated May 11, 1790, and is now in the files in the State Department of Archives and History in Raleigh, North Carolina...[Followed by a transcription of the marriage bond.]

Another genealogy of the Massachusetts Basses, "Descendants of Deacon Samuel & Ann Bass / comp. by C.T. Bass, completed by E.L. Walton" by Charissa Taylor Bass, 1863- (c.1940)

https://archive.org/details/descendantsofdea00bass/page/n15/mode/2up

A nice chart for Samuel and Annie Bass of Massachusetts: https://archive.org/details/genealogybass16001bass/page/n5/mode/2up

New England Basses and allied/associated families: https://archive.org/details/familymemorialpa00thay

More for the New England Basses: https://archive.org/details/genealogybassjon00bass_0/page/n9/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/johnsonmemorialj00john

https://archive.org/details/ancestorsofmoses00smit

https://archive.org/details/ancestrydescenda00sumn/page/26/mode/2up

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This last book covers to some extent the Bass (aka Boss) family of NJ who were related to the Ten Broecks.

https://archive.org/details/partialgenealogy00keec/page/n187/mode/2up

Benjamin S. Bass, age 40-50 at time of the 1840 US census for Brunswick Co., VA. In the household with him were two young boys, four very young girls, and two women between the ages of 30-50. And if I read it correctly, there were 28 slaves; and 15 members of the household were occupied in agriculture. I think if anything, this would have to have been a grandson of our Benjamin S Bass

Same location, same name -- younger generation.

"United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYY1-9GPT?cc=1786457&a... : 24 August 2015), Virginia > Brunswick > Not Stated > image 17 of 76; citing NARA microfilm publication M704, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

William S. Bass, age 60-70 (possibly the father or grandfather of the above, Benjamin S. Bass). With Thomas Lanier on the same data sheet. We have to be so careful studying this census, because the transcripts are far from complete. So in order to completely cover them, we have to look at the original manuscripts. (I'm worried I might have missed something, for that reason).

"United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YY1-92X7?cc=1786457&a... : 24 August 2015), Virginia > Brunswick > Not Stated > image 15 of 76; citing NARA microfilm publication M704, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

Head of household, Sarah Bass residing alone (except possibly 16 slaves, engaged in agriculture), age 50-60.

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Head of household, Susan Lanier, age 60-70, residing with four other female family members and 13 slaves (3 engaged in agriculture).

"United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYY1-9GYF?cc=1786457&a... : 24 August 2015), Virginia > Brunswick > Not Stated > image 37 of 76; citing NARA microfilm publication M704, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

Zachariah Floyd on this 1840 census was 40-50 years old, so possibly the son or grandson of Zachariah Floyd (evidently from the same county, with two pending merges).

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000019808140967?idx=1&re...

"United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYY1-9GFM?cc=1786457&a... : 24 August 2015), Virginia > Brunswick > Not Stated > image 13 of 76; citing NARA microfilm publication M704, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

On same census data sheet with Zachariah, we find Freeman Floyd and family (no Geni profile that I'm aware of).

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Head of household, Lewis Hicks, age 36-55, residing alone, identified as "Free Person of Color", meaning he may have been Indian (imho). In fact nearly everyone on this page is categorized as such. And it appears that all of these "free persons of color" were counted as slaves themselves (not sure how that would work, or why they did it that way).

"United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYY1-9G6J?cc=1786457&a... : 24 August 2015), Virginia > Brunswick > Not Stated > image 65 of 76; citing NARA microfilm publication M704, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

Anyway, that's about all I can glean from this census at this time. I think it is interesting that we find both a William S. Bass and a Benjamin S. Bass on this census specifically, along with some Laniers and others -- although the generations don't seem to correlate with our isolated profiles.

Link for Sarah Bass (mentioned above):

"United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYY1-9GZN?cc=1786457&a... : 24 August 2015), Virginia > Brunswick > Not Stated > image 23 of 76; citing NARA microfilm publication M704, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).