I have the lower end of the line from the wife of William de London, the elder, Florence, daughter of Richard Murdac and Denise de Gundeville -- downward to Joan, daughter of (William or John, depending on source) de Bolingbroke, wife of William Denman -- who are located near the top of the Denman of New Hall Grange pedigree from Visitations of Yorkshire.
Joan's grandfather was Bartram Bolingbroke , although she actually descends from Florence de London (nee Murdac) through Bartram's wife, Joan Bolingbroke (Ayre) , daughter and heiress of John Ayre/Eyre and his wife, Margaret Ayre (Tinslowe) , herself daughter and heir of (William or Walter, depending on which source you find most reliable) Tinslow William of Tynneslowe , himself son of Sir Henry de Tinsley/Tynneslow/Tinslow (d. aft 1316, wife unknown), son of Denise, daughter of William de London (d. ca1205) and Florence Murdac.
Joane Denman (Bolingbroke)
William Denman of Retford, Armiger
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(I initiated this discussion to address the missing profiles and broken connections in this family's genealogy, and hopefully improve the various branches of the tree.)
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Florence Murdac
Florence made arrangements for her own burial, donating 10 shillings rent from her holding in Sutton to Leonard Stanley Priory, with her body, for the light of the altar of the Virgin Mary, and for her soul and those of her ancestors and successors.
Her husband, William de London [the elder], had the custody of Kidwelly castle in 1192 - presumably during the minority of Thomas de London - and held land there, which leads to the conclusion that he was of the same family as Thomas, lord of Kidwelly whose daughter, Hawise, married Patrick de Chaworth.
William was also brother of Henry de London, Archbishop of Dublin who held a career in the king’s service as justiciar of England and later Ireland.
Henry de Loundres, Archbishop of Dublin
Henry de Londres, Archbishop
Here he is: William de Londres
William’s focus of activity appears to have been in Nottinghamshire, as shown by a law suit of 1199. His father, Thomas de London, had succeeded at law against Gilbert de Arches for lands in Catliffe and la Haie, but had been dispossessed by Gilbert’s brother, Henry, while castellan of Tickhill Castle.
In 1196 William rendered account for 100 shillings for half a knight’s fee and land held by serjeanty in Nettleworth and Warsop, Nottinghamshire, and Tinsley, Yorkshire, and as mentioned, he and his wife were involved in the suit against Amisia de Woodstock for Murdac land in Black Bourton in the year 1200.
Florence survived her husband, William, who was dead by 1205 when Robert de Vipont was granted custody of the lands heirs of William de London “de Tynelawe” and the marriage of Florence.
William was succeeded by his son, also William, whose career as a cleric flourished most likely under the patronage of his uncle Henry, becoming a prominent justice itinerant in the service of king Henry III, who referred to him as ‘our beloved clerk’.
It was undoubtedly his knowledge of the legal system that was behind the collaborative final concords of his kin against John de Ballon in 1227. William is recorded in 1242-43, with Richard de Cromhall and Walter de
Limesey, holding a knight’s fee in Wiltshire between them of Henry Huse.
...William [de London, the younger] was dead without issue by 1249 leaving his sisters as coheirs, the eldest being Denise. It was through her inheritance that her son, Sir Henry, as overlord of Tinsley, took the name of Tinsley and held the chief moiety of lands in Nettleworth and Worksop.
In 1249 Henry was still underage when an assise was called to
determine the nature of the holding of Denise, wife of William Sweting [Denise de London; Sweting was her second husband, Henry's stepfather], in Sutton, so that Adam Durant could call her for warranty.
He called to warrant Roger de Cromhall, who in turn called to warrant William de London [Henry's uncle] from whom he held, but William had died in the interim; but it was said that Eve sister of William, and Henry son of Denise, sister of William were the heirs of William. However Henry was underage and in the wardship of the queen so could not be called to warrant.
In 1284 Henry de Tinsley, in a somewhat spurious suit instigated by his kinsman Walter le Bret [grandson of his aunt Eve, so 1st or 2nd cousin I guess], was sued for the whole de London inheritance claiming Henry was a bastard.
Details from this suit give the information that William de London had four sisters, Denise, Eve, Eleanor and Isabel. The last was professed as a nun at Amesbury and Eleanor died without issue, leaving Henry de Tinsley, son of Denise, and Walter le Bret, as son of Richard le Bret, son of Eve, representatives of the two remaining sisters.
Walter’s suit was unsuccessful, but was resolved shortly afterwards by his sale of his moiety of the estate to Sir Henry.
